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know, that has an impact on how i think about these issues. >> again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. you know, he's been very clear about it, he was very clear in the campaign, he's very clear about the fact that his position -- that it's evolving. the president said that he was evolving. >> in explaining that process of evolving today, the president said he has always been adamant that gays and lesbians should be treated fairly and equally, but he hesitated on gay marriage partly he said because he thought civil unions would be enough. t...

couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how i think about these issues. >> again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. you know, he's been very clear about it, he was very clear in the campaign, he's very clear about the fact that his position -- that it's evolving. the president said that he was evolving. >> in explaining that process of evolving today, the president said he has always been adamant that gays and lesbians should be treated fairly and equally, but he hesitated on gay marriage partly he said because he thought c...

>> in explaining that process of evolving today, the president said he has always been adamant that gays and lesbians should be treated fairly and equally, but he hesitated on gay marriage partly he said because he thought civil unions would be enough. they would let people visit their partners in the hospital, for instance. in the abc interview, he acknowledged that same-sex marriage is an issue that elifts strong feelings both for and against. >> i was sensitive to the fact that for a lot of people, the word "marriage" was something that evokes very powerful traditions, religious b...

couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how i think about these issues. >> again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. you know, he's been very clear about it, he was very clear in the campaign, he's very clear about the fact that his position -- that it's evolving. the president said that he was evolving. >> in explaining that process of evolving today, the president said he has always been adamant that gays and lesbians should be treated fairly and equally, but he hesitated on gay marriage partly he said because he thought c...

go so far as to categorize his position on same-sex marriage as one that was in the process of evolving. >> whether gays and lesbians should be able to get married, i've spoken about this recently, as i've said. my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. >> you've said your position is evolving. you said you're struggling with it. what more do you need to know? >> well, you know, i probably won't make news right now, george, but i think there's no doubt that as i see friends, families, children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact o...