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Tribal land. only 3% of the land is in state control. so even if the land had started on a fire, it would most likely be under federal or private. additionally, it's kind of a push right now to get logging into those lands, but it's unclear to probably not helpful for helping fight the wildfires. in the case of paradise, there was actually logging just outside of the city where the fire started in recent years, and there is growing evidence that logging actually exacerbates wildfire for a number of reasons. >> so it's sort of a crypto way of saying we should let logging in these places. >> it'...

Fires at different points be. you wonder if there is going to be a real kind of need real, real change in the law, the fire code, the building codes to make sure that this is not going to keep happening and keep happening worse. >> so there was a big package of wildfire at the state level that passed last year. it talked a lot about the utility companies which are often blamed and are often the cause of a lot of these big fires and sort of how they are involved. in fact, there was part of that package some sort of vegetation thinning that was part of that package as well. the big question that...