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This particular way. also the strategy where he's thinking this is how he saves himself during the midterms, doesn't that undermine his negotiating strategy? because in order to be successful, right, he has to have the ability to walk away if he's not getting a good deal. if the north koreans understand they got him because this is what he is banking on, that he has invested not just his ego, his considerable ego, but also his political fate on a successful negotiation, then he's given up the negotiating leverage that he will need to sit down wherever that summit takes place. >> steve, it's a ...

For years. talking about iran, we have a million and a half issues, so distracted, domestic issues, foreign policy issues. kim jong-un is all about the united states. they're doing their homework. >> on the iran deal, there's a week coming where donald trump pulls out of that deal, if north korea is watching us get out of a deal duly implemented and negotiated by the world, how does that affect their desire to reach a deal with us? >> absolutely true. the north koreans are contrasting. they've done this before in the clinton years. since the bush administration came in, from north korean persp...

Yes, it's true under supreme court precedent that he probably has to answer some questions, but he also has some negotiating leverage himself in the sense that he can't just be subpoenaed and spend days in the grand jury. he has a unique place in our constitutional system. so mueller, i think, has to give something to get something. and one of the things he has to give is general subject areas of what he's going to ask. >> michael zeldin, with all due respect to the mueller team and the investigators, jeffrey, we've been dealing with the fbi far very long time and how they do business. i am no...

Room? >> i think it was received pretty well. he had 60-70 republican donors and supporters. there was laughing and clapping and cheering for him in this room. not much of a reaction one way or the other. the president was going through a litany of countries that he thought the united states had been treated unfair li by. in the middle of these countries, he ticked off how he could possibly remedy this, whether it would be canada, mexico. he essentially said south korea has gotten rich, they have all these products, we're trading with them. we're helping to protect them and we're not going to ...

Where both sides can exit this, both declare victory, both declare that the other side lost even when nobody lost and nobody won. the longer this shutdown goes on, the harder it is for that to happen. even though disagreements on policy can often get the government into a stalemate like this, getting out is all about politics, and it's all about holding the line and maintaining your negotiating leverage. i think that's what both sides are trying to figure outright now. >> so patrick, real quickly, what does a win-win look like? >> a win is going to be tough for the democrats here. if the gover...