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Negotiator. well, he set the stage by saying, we can end this in one day, if i am president. that gives away every negotiating leverage that he has because he tells putin that you are going to win, you've got the leverage, as we go into the negotiation. it's a terrible mistake, a terrible position, not supporting ukraine, not trying to win for ukraine indefinitely against russia. >> one of the most striking moments was when he mocked e. jean carroll who just was victorious in court in her suit against him. he was found liable for sexually assaulting her and defaming her. he went into this whol...

A discharge position, for those who say, is a privilege motion, bringing something to the floor, with the majority member signing on to it. it could be this plot device that is more invoked, then utilized, but are there active discussions about that? >> not yet. but, look, mitch mcconnell was intent on debt limit brinkmanship, and then could pixelated in the 11th hour. it could be, kevin mccarthy does the same. but, no one should underestimate the obstructionism of the house republican majority. house republicans are willing to engineer a historic humiliation of their own leader, kevin mccarth...

So, you -- would think you would have some negotiating leverage within the caucus itself using other caucus numbers to get that pressure to bare minimum 20. it's because something that i learned a very early in my tenure at the rnc with the emergence of the tea party. it's that for them and for a lot of the remnants of what is left inside the freedom caucus, jim jordan was part of that original class, uhm -- it's a two-pronged approach. one is respect, right? because they don't ever feel that they have been respected in the process by the process. and to, leverage. they've never had elaborate ...

The debt ceiling. you suggest doing it during the lame duck session, a political issue because some republicans are threatening to use that as negotiating leverage. tell us what the dangers are here if they don't get that limit raised? >> if they don't get that limit raised, a number of very bad things happen. one is that it's probably unconstitutional to default on our debt. i don't know what you do about that. beyond that, it ruins the reputation of the united states in that we are now considered the safest of safe borrowers to lend money to. that's why we're part of the world's reserve curr...

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