cultivate the taylor swift voting demographic. this is one of the more popular entertainers musicians, and the world right now and it comes at a time where both candidates are also fighting for that younger vote for the younger generation some trump s supporters may already be skeptical of taylor swift and her politics in january pro-trump broadcasters and politicians put out conspiracy theories implying that the nfl had rig games and favor of the kansas city chiefs to promote swift and travis kelce and give them a platform to endorse president biden, none of which, of course, was even remotely close to being true wealth. how instrumental has taylor swift been in getting out the vote? this is why the biden and trump campaigns both want her on their side, wolf last year in september, she put out a message on instagram asking young people to register to vote according to tracking agencies. as a result of that in just one day, about 35,000 people registered to vote. that s how much sway she has especially among younger voters, turn biden both desperate for that demographic. very interesting guy, brian tied reporting for us. thank you very much brian. i m wolf blitzer in the situation room thanks very much for watching. the news continues. next on cnn leader is reportedly caught saying we have the israelis, right where we want them a federal jury hands down guilty verdicts for hunter biden on all three counts against him making him the first child of a sitting us president to be convicted of a crime the wife of us supreme court justice samuel alito s secretly recorded what she said about the controversial flags outside her home, and the people who criticize to the flying them cnn breaking news but we begin this hour with breaking news a new report released just moments ago from a un commission finds israeli authorities and palestinian militant groups, including mass responsible for war crimes and other violations of international law. the commission has also found israel responsible for crimes against humanity during its military operations in gaza following the october 7 hamas attack. i want to bring in cnn s jumana karachi, who joins us live from london. thanks for being the un says it has evidenced at both israel and hamas have committed war crimes or report just handed down to mount. and what can you tell us? well, linda, this is a these are the findings of the un commission of inquiry on the palestinian territories and israel, this is a body that was set up by the united nations human rights council back in 2021 during the offensive in gaza at the time. and now for the past few months, they have been investigating the events of october 7 and events since they have released to reports, 200 pages long in total so with their findings on both what is happening in gaza during these military operations, as well as what took place in israel on october the seventh. and what they say here is that they have found hamas and six other palestinian armed groups it s responsible for war crimes committed in israel. and they also found that, as you mentioned, that they accused israel of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity during its military operations in gaza. now this linda, they say, is the first in-depth un investigation into the events of october 7 and events since they accused israel of obstructing their investigations, not giving them access to israel or palestinian territories, but they say that this investigation relied on interviews with victims and witnesses. they went through thousands of open source item is that they verified, they say through advanced forensic analysis, they had hundreds of submissions satellite imagery, forensic medical reports. now, when it comes to october the seventh, linda, these are the main findings. they say that these militant groups, hamas and these other groups are responsible for the for war crimes including intentionally directing attacks against civilians murder or willful killing, torture, taking hostages, including children and more. now, these crimes, they say, we re committed by these militant groups as well as palestinians. they say in some instances, in civilian clothing, they identify they say patron s indicative of sexual violence. and concluded that these are not isolated incidents, but perpetrated in similar ways in several locations primarily against israeli women. and the indiscriminate firing of thousands of projectiles against israeli towns and cities. they say that causing deaths and injuries is a violation of international humanitarian and human rights law. then you ve got the report on what is happening and what has happened in gaza during these military operations, there accusing israel of these war crimes and crimes against humanity, including you including using starvation as a method of warfare, murder, and willful killing intentionally directing attacks against civilians, sexual violence extermination, gender, persecution of palestinian men and boys, murder forcible transfer and the list goes on. what they say is when you look at the immense number of civilian casualties in gaza, the widespread destruction they say that this is the result of what they have found to be a strategy to cause maximum damage, disregarding the rules of war, the principles of distinction shin proportionality, an adequate precautions. and what they say is the intentional use of heavy weapons with a large destructive capacity in densely populated areas. they say that you know, all these evacuation orders that the israeli authorities have issued, that that was not adequate, that that was not enough. that they found that civilians as well came under attack when taking these evacuation routes or in designated safe areas and then they go into the humanitarian situation where they say they have found to be a total siege of gaza imposed by israel. and they say that this as what they found here to be the use of the weaponization of aid and access to gaza. saying that this was what is happening amounts to punishment. collective punishment against the civilian population and they also found instances they say a significant number of civilians who posed no threat intentionally killed by israeli forces. and in these cases, linda, we have to mention that they mentioned, they cite to reports that were reported by us at cnn over the past few months. now we have now reached out to the israeli government for comment. but it s worth mentioning here that they have made their position very clear on this commission. they said that they are not going to cooperate with them months ago. accusing this body of being an anti-israel and anti-semitic body, they have had issues with members of the commission. and of course, this is coming we ve seen the tensions rising, the relationship deteriorated between the united name nations and israel over the past during the conflict, as much as israel has come under criticism for its military operations in gaza, it has accused the united nations and several of its bodies and of an anti israel bias and not being fair towards israel. but we will we will continue to try and get more common from israeli authorities today on these findings, linda yeah, we will stay across history or de john monocrop. good to have you with us on this breaking news story. thanks very much we are following more breaking news out of israel, whether military says a large missile barrage has been fired from lebanon towards its northern territory. the idf said about 90 projectiles cross the border in total with some marking fires seen as ben wade, him and following developments for us and joins us live from a root. good to have you there first ben, so they re fighting it. the israel-lebanon border is continuing to intensified is take us through this escalation yeah i mean, what we re what we re seeing is real intensification overnight, there was a strike in the town of zwei. you wear we re hearing reports of four people killed. and in fact his butler on its telegram channel has come out and said that four of its fighters were killed, including a senior commander by the name of tlaib sammy abdullah now, we don t know if they were actually killed in this strike in southern lebanon because his butler never says where they re people were killed. but it appears that this is a is, described as a commander. so in response, it appears hamas has fired a volley of rockets from the lebanese sayyed, where hearing more than 50 the israelis are saying as many as 90 according to the israeli media, it is caused fires in parts of northern israel. now, video has come out on social media showing that most of those rockets fired from lebanon have been intercepted and intercepted presumably by the iron dome system, but certainly what we ve seen in the last week is that his bulla is used because in weaponry that seems to be somewhat more sophisticated last week it appears that they were able to take out one of those iron dome batteries, several days ago, hizballah was able to shoot down a hermes 19 is rarely drone. that s the third so far. now those drones fly at a very high altitude indicating that hezbollah is now using fairly sophisticated anti-aircraft weaponry. twice in the last week, they ve also used anti-aircraft missiles to fire at is israeli planes in lebanese airspace. so although much of the focus of the last few days has been on the situation in gaza and israel. the situation on the border between lebanon and israel is becoming increasingly tense. and there is ever more talk of the possibility of war between israel and his berlin fact this morning, we heard the iranian foreign minister warning israel not to fall into well of lebanon know, suddenly a frightening thought of ben, but i do if weekend for a moment want to turn our focus back to gaza because the fate of that latest proposal for a ceasefire seems more unclear right now, what are you hearing from hamas in terms of baer response to this proposal? well, it appears both sides are accusing the other of rejecting the proposal. now, israel is telling, saying israeli officials are saying that hamas is rejected. hamas has responded saying, no, we haven t rejected it. in fact, is a rich pays a member of hamas is politburo is saying the palestinian factions have responded positively and seriously to the proposal and are accusing israeli media of incitement and attempting to confuse the situation. it s a bit like when you re bargaining in the soup just because you reject a price doesn t necessarily mean you re not going to buy the goods. this is a bargaining, this is negotiations. so at this point, i think both sides are accusing the other of rejecting it, but i don t think we can say that the deal is dead yet. it s just bargaining and we will continue to see what comes out of the next round of mediation band wiedemann forests, covering all those developments. thanks so much. well, hunter biden, the son of joe biden, is now the first child of a sitting us president to be found guilty of a crime after his conviction on three federal felony gun charges the president braced his son off to landing and delaware hours after tuesday s verdict, the jury deliberated for less than three hours concluding that hunter biden violated laws meant to prevent those suffering from substance abuse from buying or owning a firearm and of course, it created an awkward political moment for the us president who just hours after his sons conviction, was speaking at a previously scheduled gun safety event harold, in his efforts to strengthen gumballs and enhance the penalties for those who violate them. well, let s discuss this where the riva martin and attorney and legal affairs commentator, she joins us from los angeles. good to have you with us hi. sorry. i had to buy it and found guilty of three felonies lying to a licensed firearms gun deal. i m making a false claim and a firearms application. and of course, possessing that illegally obtained gun for those 11 days he does face up to 25 years in prison. but could get a fraction of that. what do you anticipate well, one thing we do know is that hunter biden does not have any prior felony or any kinds of convictions on his record he didn t use the gun that he purchased for any crime, so no crime was committed with bad gun. he has been according to reports, clean and sober now for at least four or five years, given that he is likely to demonstrate a great deal of remorse, given the types of mitigation letters and testimony that we will see from supporters and friends. i think he ll get the lowest sentence possible, and i think it s so important to note that this case, the case that was brought against hunter biden several former prosecutors who had been in charge of us attorney s offices said this is not the kind of case that they would have even brought so i think we can t overlook a gloss over the political aspect of this prosecution. so i don t expect there to be any sentence in the range. what s being reported with respect to the 25 years, i think it ll be at the lowest end of the sentencing range yeah. an array that just on that point, as you alluded to people at the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, did apparently say that anyone else would have seen these these charges dropped with this case drop if he wasn t as well-known, just how unusual is it for someone we know criminal record to go to court for an offense like this it s very unusual. i saw some statistic that you ve talked about less than three to 5% of individuals in this situation would have ever had charges brought. and even if charges were brought most likely this was the kind of case they would have resulted in a plea deal, not the kind of case that would have occupied the time and resources that we saw the government put forth and you can t help again, but look at all of the personal and very embarrassing information that was revealed during this trial, it seemed like the trial was about embarrassing hunter biden and therefore embarrassing the entire biden family more so than seeking justice, i was quite surprised. i should say, at the outcome at the verdict by the jury, i thought there would be jury nullification. i thought the jury would look at this and say this just doesn t pass the smell test. there s something blatantly unfair about this prosecution but they looked at the facts and said they put aside of the reality that this was the president s son. and reach their conclusion. and like democrats have been saying throughout the day you have to accept the verdict the jury, and i m prepared to do that, but i was surprised by it of course hunter biden does face and other trial in september over his failure to pay his income taxes during a years-long crack alcohol spending binge. should that case b. of more concern to him? woke absolutely much much more serious case of very easy to prove cases where there are allegations of failure to pay federal income taxes the allegations here is that he failed to pay over $1 million over a three-year period. but i think we re going to see something happened in the tax evasion in case based on what we saw in the case that just resulted in the conviction, and that s probably a lot of testimony about his drug use, about his addiction that probably had something to do played some role in why he did not pay his federal taxes. again, this is the case linda that ordinarily would have been resolved by plea deal and remember, there was a deal that was interred into by the special prosecutor and biden s attorneys that would have allowed for both the cases, the gun charge case, and the tax case to be resolved without going to trial. and so given that it is going to go to trial, the second case in september does tuesday s guilty verdict potentially raise the stakes for any future sentencing? absolutely. yeah. again, i don t think he has much jeopardy when it comes to the convictions today, the nature of the charges, his background, what we expect to see in terms of mitigation however, the federal income tax evasion charges we ve seen very a high-profile famous people serve jail time on very similar charges. so my estimate is that to the extent there is jail time and that hunter biden has to serve any jail time. it s much more likely to be related to the tax evasion case than it is with respect to the gun charge case. right? good to get you on the program or even martin, as always, thanks so much for your time thank you. linda will the new are controversy for the us supreme court one justice and his wife are caught on tape speaking to someone they thought was a religious conservative that conversation next telling me what you want from this want to be a scar, cool to be normal, liked this is waiting for who knows where it traumas you, i will not let you down if i were you know, i ve stopped talking every time i need a new 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tonight. no comment from the supreme court after two of its most senior justices and one of their spouses are heard on secret recordings discussing sensitive topics. people in this country, believing god, embedded, keep fighting to return our country a place the bodley names i agree with justice samuel alito speaking to lauren windsor during a dinner last week hosted by the supreme court historical society windsor, a liberal activist posing as a devout catholic when talking with the justice, where he also addresses the current polarization of the country we can go the polar i think it is a matter of like i think you re probably one side or the other side or the other is i don t know i mean, there can be a way of working our way of living together peacefully it s different because there are differences. one fundamental things that really can t comment it s not like we re going to split the difference this society condemned the secret recordings saying attendees are advised not to discuss anything from the event. windsor defended her actions today in an interview with cnn, there s nothing illegal in a dc about recording people so long as one person is a party to that conversation, to people who want to pearl clutch about this yeah. please tell me how we re going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy. and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever. cnn has not independent candidly obtained or heard the recordings in full, but they come after recent ethics concerns involving the court, including controversial flags flown at homes of justice alito flags that the justice said were put up by his wife martha-ann alito, also heard on the audio for xi addressed the flag controversy head-on. know what i want. i want sacred. heart of jesus glad because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. and he s like, oh, please don t put up a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them most of every day, maybe every week. i ll be changing the flags. windsor also secretly recorded chief justice john roberts, who rebuffed her when she made a case for more christian society we live in a christian nation and our supreme court to be guiding i don t know, that we live. in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim friends who would say maybe not. and it s not our job to do that. it s our job to decide i do the cases, especially we have not seen any comment on the secret recordings from the supreme court or from the justices or justice alito s wife. now the supreme court historical society hosted this dinner where the recordings were made. it is a yearly event held inside the court building. were members because of the society are allowed to buy tickets for themselves and one guest. and the gathering provides members rare access to the justices as we saw in these secret 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extraordinary access to some of the facilities at those camps. as well as the notorious panorama prison this is her exclusive report and a warning. it begins with some disturbing images cell phone videos of isis is brutal justice that the world hoped it would never see again. she might want him amash shared for the first time with cnn these images or captured in rocco or mosley in 2016 they were taken in 2022 in the al-hol camp in northern syria the sprawling dumping ground for the women and children captured after isis was defeated five years after the fall of the caliphate, isis is ideology lives on here security officials warn it is a ticking time bomb ungovernable and hostile to the outside world. you can see just how fast this place is more than 40,000 people are living here in the most dangerous part. the camp is called the annex. that s where some 6,000 foreign nationals are currently within we were granted exceptionally rare access to the annex by the us back syrian democratic forces sdf, who control the camp the women here hail from more than 60 different countries several raise their right index fingers for the cameras sign of solidarity with the islamic state do you regret your decision to join isis or wash she complains that the conditions in the camp are awful there are people in the world who will say, you went to join isis. you deserve it. you deserve it. what do you say to that? normally if enemy yeah women need me for the majority of alcohols residents are kids who have ended up here through no fault of their own un has called it a blight on the conscience of humanity. it is effectively a prison camp for women and children are arbitrarily and indefinitely detained should to a group stops us with a frantic plea. one of their sons has been arrested trying to escape the camp. she s asking if she can get her son back, who s in a prison the youth mark, we want to just send him out. so the sdf wouldn t take him. she tells us once boys turn 12, here, they take them it is a troubling story we hear over and over again the sdf says, it is their policy to separate adolescent boys because they are being radicalized as by their mothers an sdf raid earlier this year netted this video of a training session for children inside the camp. the sdf claims young teenage boys are married off to repopulate the next generation of isis fighters they say may explain the roughly 60 births recorded here every month this is where some of those boys end up after they are taken the or cash rehabilitation center conditions here are much better than the camps, but there are only 150 beds and they are all full shamil cha car grew up in cologne, germany until his parents took the family to the isis capital rocha. a shrapnel injury to his head has left shamil confused how old are you? chem omitted without if you don t know shamil was living in our whole camp with his mother and siblings until a few years ago when security forces came into their tent in the middle of the night in colombia enough for a man came and pulled me up and tied my hands behind my back. my mom was screaming. she said leave him alone. he tells us i didn t want to go with them. he pushed me saying, put on your shoes, but i didn t hit me islam is from dagestan on russia and is one of the youngest boys here which gives me three to it via mama hey so he s saying that he is just 12-years-old. he has been here about three or four months. he was taken from his mother he doesn t even know what his last name is human rights organizations have said the separations are on a pauling violation of international law but the sds top general muslim abdi defends the policy. no duck ethnic instead of these organizations condemning what we re doing and calling it a human rights violation. these organizations should give us help when it comes to our program that we have in place for years now to rehabilitate these children. but part of the problem seem it s to be that once these young boys turn 18, there s not anywhere for them to go, particularly if they can t return to their home countries and so some of them, i believe are ending up in prison necessity taken when he says, this is not a policy that we are following to put them in prison at 18 the reality is the goal is to reintegrate them with society but cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. it is the largest concentration of isis fighters in the world. no journalist has been allowed inside panorama since 2021 until now so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf where we walk through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern at panorama is a prison break the fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates managed to escape and i. look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless the men, we see appear to be indecent physical condition but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison. and we are only allowed to look inside two cells versus your, where you a british man approaches the great, but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us funded panorama illegal black hole, worse thing guantanamo bay in an interrogation room. we meet 19-year-old stephane, ucc or lou from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14, along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talked to a lot where i don t know about the big guys as we speak about the kids assume. well, if you know the truth, we don t know even my were always like punished as like five years in prison. i were punished we don t even know what he s done. like we ve been imprisoned because of our clients at the sdf intelligence headquarters. we need british pakistani dr. mohammed socket accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas, inmates our abused. so we live in torture. i live in fear when you say you live in torture, do you mean that you are actually physically being tortured? this happens on an off what kind of torture? like beating by the stick? by the gods to be honest, i m just waiting for my death there s no getting out of this prison. probably never the warden at panorama called sockets claim of abuse false, saying quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act in this way. the sdf and the us are pushing countries to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose can we meet brits, canadians, belgians, australians, and a couple of americans? survive basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck here with her seven-year-old son for more than five years. i have to ask you, i m seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering your phases you re not covered, you re wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. i would say for the first 23 years people would not accepting of it. and they harassed us a lot. they stole our stuff and i had to stay strong and show example from my son, born and raised in the us, hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20, and left her family and alabama to live under isis a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time in prison. have you reconciled yourself without possibility? i always tell myself that i m going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i d server and come out and begin my life with my son for now? that is not an option while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled holders us citizenship invalid on a technicality, but i didn t write now, she lives in fear for her son s future what do you miss most about america i just want to breathe ever i can arrow and be around people. i loved the people of america. they re very open and they re very forgiving and they re very, they re people who gives second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance but second chances are hard to come by here for most repentance is demanded and forgiveness rarely given as the cost of ignoring this ugly crisis continues to mount. clarissa ward, cnn, northern syria i m gonna statement to cnn a us state department said the department has not changed its position with regards to miss mu who found a citizen status as the state department to and determine and the courts are grade. she s not and never was a us citizen was sort of calm. the mystery of the north korean football star who went missing three years ago. i need to make a dramatic return now, we ll look at what s going on russian for trying 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guilty on three felony counts in this federal gun trial. we ll go over the key take-aways including what hunter s sentence could look like, how president biden reacted, and what one juror is now saying about what happened during deliberations. plus, we ll break down new poll numbers that show who voters in key battleground states say they believe is best to handle the economy ahead of november s election. and also, despite his long running feud with donald trump, senator mitch mcconnell says he will attend a meeting with the former president this week. their first face-to-face meeting in four years. we ll talk about what to expect from that. good morning and welcome to way too early on this wednesday, june 12th. i m jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us, and we have a lot to get to this morning, and we will begin here. a jury has found hunter biden guilty on all three felony gun charges in his federal trial. the jury reached its verdict yesterday in wilmington, delaware, after only about three hours of deliberations split over two days. the president s son had pleaded not guilty to the three counts tied to lying on a federal gun application about his drug use. sources inside the defense room tell nbc news that following the verdict hunter biden thanked everyone in the room by name, hugged them, and tried to raise their spirits. he later issued this public statement. i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community than i am disappointed by the outcome. recovery is possible by the grace of god, and i am blessed to experience that gift one day at a time. hunter biden could face-up to 25 years in prison, and each count carries a maximum fine of $250,000. no sentencing date has been set, but under federal sentencing guild line recommendations and as a first-time offender, the new york times points out that someone in hunter biden s position typically would face 15 to 21 months behind bars, significantly a lighter sentence. special counsel david weiss spoke briefly to reporters following the verdict. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this defendant. however, hunter biden should no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct. the prosecution has been and will continue to be committed to this principle and to the principles of federal prosecution in carrying out its responsibilities. both hunter biden and his attorney have indicated that they plan to appeal. president biden issued a statement reacting to his son s guilty verdict. it reads in part this. i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. last week president biden said he will not pardon his son. the president also had an emotional reunion with hunter late yesterday. the two hugged on the tarmac after the president changed his schedule and flew to delaware following an event in d.c. preceding his departure from italy early this morning. hunter biden s guilty verdict comes as former president trump was found guilty of all 34 charges against him in his new york hush money trial a couple weeks ago. while the trump campaign decried the former president s verdict they were quick to call hunter biden s as distractions. well, first, let s remember this was joe biden s corrupt doj that tried to negotiate a sweetheart plea deal with outside immunity unrelated to this case. there are two tiers of justice, and again they wanted to let him off of everything. and now i see the law being used in sort of these ticky-tacky ways missing the main point which would have been the biden family corruption and just trying to ensnare president trump because he s winning. do you think the department of justice is still weaponized against conservatives even though we see nice verdict today? absolutely. when they tell school moms they re domestic terrorists because they don t like what s being taught in their classrooms we still can go into it, yes, ma am. they re sticking with their talking points despite the facts. meanwhile, a juror in the hunter biden trial spoke just moments after the verdict was read. in an anonymous interview with nbc news juror number 10 insisted the decision to vote guilty was not based on any political leanings. it was not politically motivated. politics never played in anything that we said in the jury room and as we were deliberating. of course we spent the last five days together and yesterday and today, and we were not allowed to talk about any of the case until the trial was over. like i told a lot of reporters, i ve seen a lot worse than hunter. so honestly, i don t think putting hunter in jail is going to help anybody. i hope that i hope that hunter is clean, and i hope that his sobriety is going well, and i hope it continues to go well. we should note the jurors in this case are talking out even anonymously while no one, no one in the trump case has had for fear of retribution. now let s bring in state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg. dave, good to see you this morning. first let s get your broad take-aways. what was your reaction to the guilty verdict? i was not surprised, jonathan. i thought this was a cut and dry case. the prosecution had the facts and law on their side. hunter biden s own words came back to hunt him. he wrote an auto birog aef talking about being in the throes of the addiction at the time he purchased this gun. and he was in denial. but, look, his own words came back to hurt him because his text messages right after he bought the gun, the day after indicated that he was going to buy drugs from a drug dealer named mooky, and then two days after he bought the gun he was texting his daughter that he was on a car in wilmington smoking crack. so that s why i thought the prosecutors had him. now, whether they should have brought this case, whether this was selective prosecution is another matter. and i agree with a jury that i think that the doj probably should have had bigger fish to fry, and i wonder would he have been prosecuted had his name been hunter smith? but it is what it is, and i think the jury did the right thing in the following the evidence and the law. we ll have far more on the political fallout of this later in the show, but i noted in some of my reporting last night that president biden has told associates in recent weeks exactly what you just said. he believes if he weren t running for re-election, hunter biden would have gotten that plea deal last summer that would have kept him out of prison, but that fell apart. so, dave, what do we tink? what potential sentence realistically will hunter biden face? i think probably probation. now, they re going to look at a lot of things, for example, his lack of a rap sheet, the fact that he was in the throes of addiction during this time. he didn t hold onto the gun very long. after it was disposed of by his then-girlfriend he didn t get it back and never used it. there are a lot of factors in play that tell me the prosecutors may just ask for probation, and even if they don t i think the judge is more likely than not to give him probation, i don t so see what is served by throwing him in prison. i think he has a bigger problem in california during the trial that s upcoming later this year on tax charges. you don t want to mess with the irs. but when it comes to this case, this is a statute that s rarely prosecuted, rarely used in a stand alone charge. usually it s a add on. then the prosecutors will add on this charge of buying a gun while they re in the throes of addiction or if there s drugs found on them at the time. also this statute thrown out by the supreme court which is very pro-gun these days, very second amechlt, all these factors tell me that i think hunter biden is more likely than not to just get probation in this case. and you re more likely to do you think there s any strength there? i think it s tough based on the facts. the facts are pretty clear in this case. their best chance on appeal is go to the conservative judges and justices and to say this is an unconstitutional statute. the fifth circuit county of appeal a very conservative court throughout this statute. they have to declare once and for all this statute is unconstitutional, it s vague and puts restrictions on your law-abiding citizens who are trying to exercise their second amendment rights. it is ironic, jonathan, you have people on the right who are very pro-gun, very pro-second amendment who are now applauding this conviction. it s a topsy-turvy political world we re living in. no doubt. we ll have much more on the politics of this a little later in the show. state attorney for palm beach county, dave 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did when i was a senator. ban assault weapons. the president s speech as you can hear was briefly interrupted by pro-palestinian protesters calling on him to stop the war in gaza. instead of ignoring the interruption, the president addressed it. take a listen. four more years! four more years! folks, they care. in the children have been lost. important issues both gaza and guns. now, new polling finds improving views about president biden s ability to manage the economy. according to the latest numbers from the financial times and the university of michigan, 41% of registered voters trust donald trump more to handle the economy compared today 37% who say they trust biden more. as recently as february trump s lead over biden was 11 points when that same question was asked, now just 4. overall voters rank the economy as their most important issue by a wide margin, 24 points ahead of the future of social security and medicare. immigration comes third along with crime. now, let s take a 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yeah, i do. i do feel like i have the strength to be able to do it. it s just a matter of doing it. this golf course is going to test every single aspect of your game especially mentally, and just the mental discipline that it takes to play this particular golf course, and it s going to take a lot. in a stunning headline here, joey chestnut will not compete in the nathan s famous hot dog eating contest next month. the perennial champion has been banned from the fourth of july event because of his reported sponsorship deal with the competing brand named impossible foods. in a statement yesterday major league eating said in part this, we are devastated to learn joey chestnut has chosen to represent a rival brand that sells plant based hot dogs rather than competing. . in a series of posts on twitter x chestnut wrote he was gutted to learn about his ban. he said his decision will deprive the great fans of the holiday s usual joy and entertainment. chestnut has won the annual coney island contest 16 times in a row. i m not going to watch any of this footage. he s also won the last eight straight years. he ate a world record 86 hot dugs and buns in 2021 and did 62 last year to retain his title. time now for the weather and let s go to meteorologist angie lassman for the forecast. crew here can attest i closed my eyes at the very end of that reel. i too shielded my eyes. i m so sorry, joey chestnut, but i can t look at that this early in the morning but i can look at this. i ll tell you about the forecast instead. we ve got a whole lot of run already fallen across the state of florida and more to come. 7 million people under these flood watches right now, and you can see how unsettled it at this hour, and it s going to remain like that not just through the day but the next couple of days. we ve got a stationary front hanging out and more tropical moisture to tap into. and by the way already happening over places that received anywhere from 3 to 6 inches of rain yesterday, likely some more flooding concerns here through the day today and probably through the rest of the week. you can see why. rainfall up to 15 inches will be possible in parts of southwest florida. meanwhile out west is the heat that gets your attention. 18 million people are under those alerts at this time, and temperatures expected to hit the triple digits once again in phoenix today. but notice omaha, chicago headed to the 90s. by the time we get into tomorrow, the 90s will spread closer to the east coast. we ve got richmond and charlotte into the 90s, 85 degrees and cincinnati and detroit will also hit the 90s. angie lassman, thank you as always. coming up here on way too early we ll look ahead to president biden s trip to italy for the g7 summit where the ongoing war in ukraine will be one of several topics the leaders will try to attack. we ll be right back with that. ok we ll be right back with that. have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? 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what else do they hope to accomplish? they ve been negotiating for months to sort of tap these frozen russian assets as waway to help fund ukraine for the rest of the year and also into 2025. what has been really unclear about this deal is who exactly is left holding the bag for these assets, say, for example, if the war ends early? because this really depends on those assets staying immobilized for a couple of years for those profits to really pay off that loan. so that s still really unclear. if this is not made, this could be a huge blow to the u.s. and they believe this could be announced this week, so that would be a very awkward situation for them to be put in because officials have been discussing this for months now. usually these things have already been worked out, their teams haven t landed together. we should expect to hear from the president much like they did last week in france ahead of the d-day anniversary a push to defend democracy in ukraine and beyond. let s turp to back here at home. the fallout from the hunter biden conviction. let s start on the political side. aides and those close to the president have said for months they didn t think the trajectory of this case would change much. now the verdict has come and it s guilty what s the early sense this will play out politically? i think aides are right this is probably have little to no impact on the electorate. particularly for democrats, independents, folks biden really needs to turn out, but it was an awkward moment yesterday for biden to be speaking at this event with gun control advocates just hours after that conviction from hunter biden. and what s been interesting from trump and republicans is they have said this conviction i just a distraction, they don t think it amounts to much, they wanted the justice department to go further even though this seems to undermine trump s claims this department is weaponized and now we ve seen them bring a conviction which was also historic for president biden and the president as well. first of all they re making claimwise no evidence whatsoever the gun charge was to cover up for corruption oilgss. that s been thoroughly investigated and nothing was there. president biden did not stop the prosecution of his own son. even if the political fallout is limited and hunter is just one remaining son. we showed earlier his embrace with him on the tarmac yesterday in wilmington. the family was gathered last night there in delaware. what is the level of concern among those close to the mr. president on how this will weigh on him in these crucial months after the election and as he awaits to see if his son potentially could face prison time. i think the real question is how is it going to weigh on him going forward? because we still have another case. of course hunter biden is facing tax charges in september in california. but the way biden has dealt with this is he s said it from i m a dad, i love my son. me and jill support our son. we ve seen family members day in and day out continue to support hunter, and that is certainly a stark contrast with donald trump who is largely without family for most of his trial and at that huge press conference when he was convicted. and biden aides are preparing for the idea trump would be on the attack. thank you for your reporting. next up here we ll go live to cnbc for an early look what s driving the day on wall street as the federal reserve is expected to announce a decision on interest rates later today. plus the united kingdom showed no economic growth last month despite claims of a turn around. what we re learning from the latest labor report and what it could mean for us back here in the united states. way too early will be back in a moment. s. way too early will be back in a moment it ain t my dad s razor, dad. ay watch it! it s from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face. gamechanga! .while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. i m jonathan lawson, here to tell you about life insurance for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. through the colonial penn program. if you re age 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p s. what are the three p s? 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jonathan, it s a multi-part structure. you ve got a political wing and a military wing. and simwar is part of the military wing, not really been seen publicly since the war broke out october 7th, seems to wield incredible power and it seems is probably inside that area of gaza, which also just points to some of the other leaders which have either been killed or seen in other locations that are oftentimes outside gaza. so he seems to wield incredible power over the negotiation process because he is basically with the hamas multiple wing. i think it s confusing how to navigate who is really in control. and i think that s what secretary blinken was saying at one point, this may come down to swaying the opinion of one man, and that one man could be simwar. let s talk about where things stand in this cease-fire proposal. there was another renewed burst of optimism yesterday when hamas did finally respond. they asked for a concrete time line regarding the permanent end of the war in gaza and withdrawal of troops from the strip there. how feasible are those requests? yeah, the time line is probably a real sticking point because you just don t know how long some of these phases will take. the process is really broken into three parts versus an initial cease-fire with prisoner swaps and withdrawal from populated areas. the second part would be a whole withdrawal from gaza, and the third would be an exchange of remaining bodies and then a reconstruction effort. that all is probably difficult for either side to really commit to. they just won t know how long it will take to do each part of that. so i think hamas is using that as a sticking point, but as you noted simwar s messages about negotiations seems to suggest the longer this goes on, the more civilian casualties there are, he sees that to his benefit politically and also suggests as you noted with the notion of the french-algerian war of the 1950s, which was a very bloody and long war for algerian independence, that the longer it goes on, now you re talking about an insurgency versus an a counter insurgency. we know after 20 years in iraq and afghanistan how difficult those processes will be. simwar definitely showing no value of human life there. give us an update where things stand in rafah, israel. we had the hostage rescue the other day, some sort of tactical efforts. no full on invasion just yet. what should we be looking for? yeah, i think it s probably a balancing act of the israeli military looking to see if they can rescue some hostages through these surgical missions, but even in this case a surgical mission rescue of four hostages, they lost some troops, many we operation. this is urban warfare at its most intense. you ve got the entire civilian population, really have been pushed down to rafah from the beginning. now you have a military encircling it. having to go house-to-house, that is a small operation in urban warfare. and i think anything else in rafah and why this peace settlement is so important, anything else would be extremely intense. you would see israeli military casualties, and you would also see more palestinians killed in this battle as well. so it s just not a good situation at all, looking forward, if this continues. clint watts, we really appreciate the analysis. please come back soon. thank you for joining us this morning. up next here, donald trump is set so meet with congressional republicans tomorrow in washington. what we re learning about that meeting, as the presumptive gop nominee looks to shore up more support. and then, coming up on morning joe, we ll bring you expert legal analysis on hunter biden s guilty verdict, as well as the president s reaction and the impact it could have on the 2024 race. plus, democratic governor wes moore of maryland will be a guest, as baltimore reopens its shipping channel after that deadly bridge collapse. also ahead, the dating nightmare. why more and more young women say they are struggling to find a partner. the features editor of the cut will bring us that conversation. morning joe just a few moments away. morning joe just a few ms away makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e trade from morgan stanley power e trade s easy to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans can help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e trade from morgan stanley centrum! it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health. centrum gives every body a healthy foundation. supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga here s to getting better with age. here s to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need. .without the stuff you don t. so, here s to now. boost. welcome back. tomorrow, former president donald trump and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell will meet face-to-face for the first time in more than three years. trump and mcconnell have not spoken since december of 2020, when mcconnell publicly congratulated biden for winning the presidential election. mcconnell, the longest serving senate leader in u.s. history has made clear of his distaste for trump, but yet still endorsed him back in march. joining us now to talk more on this is msnbc political analyst, brandon buck. he was a communication strategist and former aid to house speakers, ryan and boehner. brian, good to see you this morning. does anything about this meeting surprise you, that mcconnell has agreed to meet with trump, and why do you think this meeting with trump and republicans on the hill matters? yeah, mitch mcconnell hates donald trump, but he loves the idea ofwinning back the majority, securing his legacy more than anything. he ll put his pride aside. you have your party s nominee, you re going to plan for the next year, it s a normal thing that the party leader would do. obviously, they have a very strained relationship. i ll be very interested to see how trump treats mcconnell in that meeting. these are awkward, sometimes very small, intimate settings. and trump is known to call out friends or jeer at rivals. so i think there will be some tension in the room, but i imagine mcconnell will sit there very quietly, say very little, and he s not going to be leader next year. he ll allow others to set the agenda. so elsewhere, the republican party, we had some primary results last night, including nancy mace surviving a challenge backed by former speaker kevin mccarthy. what s your take? it was an interesting play by kevin mccarthy. he went around and found a lot of money from some rich votes to go after a sitting member who voted to oust him. i m with kevin mccarthy in sentiment. that the eight people that voted him out did some real damage to the institution and really broke it for a long time. but nancy mace never really showed any signs of vulnerability. it was a long shot to begin with. and the fact that we have so many member-on-member primaries or members challenging each other is really toxic for the institution. while kevin mccarthy was trying to fight back against these forces that are eating the house conference from the inside, i think he s only adding to it, because you ve got this primary this week, you ve got bob good next week. it seems like every week, you have a house republican member who has to worry about their primary, and that is the exact dynamic that has hurt us. at the end of the day, it s as if you have donald trump on your side, though. that s what s been proven time and time again. bob good, the virginia congressman who s likely to lose his primary next week, hard line conservative still potentially could lose hi primary. it s because donald trump is coming after him. here in this case, donald trump didn t go after nancy mays, and that proved on the difference. let s turn so some other 2024 story lines. we ve been covering it all morning. hunter president biden, guilty verdict yesterday. aides from both campaigns don t really think it will play, have changed much of the structure of the race. what s your analysis? does it become anything that the republicans will use or are they hamstrung by the fact that, wait a minute, hunter biden is not on the ballot, donald trump is. he just got convicted, too. i think there s been some wishful thinking that this will end some of the republican conspiracy theories about all of this, you know, showing that obviously the justice department isn t solely being used to go after donald trump. i don t think you can really worry about people like that. they ve made up their mind and they re not going to be swayed by facts like this. i m most interested to see how this is handled in the debate. you would think that joe biden would come at donald trump for being a convicted felon. not hard to see donald trump coming right back at joe biden in very personal ways and how the president would respond to something like that. that could be a very powerful moment and may handcuff joe biden a little bit. i have some reporting on this. the biden campaign is still going to lean into convicted felon, biden himself will probably on occasion do the same, potentially even at the debate, and some aides are encouraging or at least talking among themselves that if trump does come after biden about hunter, which i m sure he will, president biden will take it personally, that maybe it would be okay flash some anger. that would be a normal, personal, human response. and americans, a lot can really sympathize about people who s struggling with addiction. if he s able to rise above it, that would be smart. this is the thing we re arguing about, whose conviction is worse and doesn t inspire a lot of the gravity of the moment that we should be talking about. i don t think in the end at the end of the day, either conviction is really what people are going to be voting on. and so it s to the point you re getting at, can someone change the dynamic around it? can they rise above it in a positive way and potentially joe biden is well positioned to do that. but for that and so many other reasons, that debate now just two weeks or so away looms a very important marker in this race. we really appreciate you being here. msnbc political analyst, brandon buck. thank you, as always. come back soon. and thanks to all of you for getting up way too early on this wednesday morning. morning joe starts right now. the contrast today is just staggering. apparently when a republican is convicted, it s weaponization, but when a democrat is convicted, the president s son, no less, that s justice. i mean, give me a break. do republicans still believe that president biden is weaponizing the justice system? because if he is, he s sure doing a lousy job. and as usual, the only trump derangement syndrome going on around here is on the other side of the aisle. people say that biden orchestrated the quick of his ow
live from washington. this is bbc news. hamas submits its response to a us led ceasefire proposal, but says israel needs to commit to completely stopping the war. us presidentjoe biden s son hunter, is found guilty on all three charges in his federal gun case. and malawi s vice president, saulos chilima was killed in a plane crash, along with nine other passengers. i m sumi somaskanda. it s great to have you with us. the white house says its evaluating an official response by hamas to the latest proposal for a truce in the gaza conflict. us presidentjoe biden submitted the proposal about 12 days ago. earliertuesday, hamas said it has a positive view of the plan, but wants several guarantees. citing israeli officials, two us media outlets are reporting that hamas has now rejected an israeli proposal for a ceasefire and hostage exchange. hamas has not confirmed the claim and said the proposal opens up a wide pathway to reach an agreement. from jerusalem, our middle east correspondent hugo bachega has more. hamas has expressed readiness to reach a deal, but it s sticking to its initial demands, and they include a guarantee that there will be a permanent ceasefire in gaza, and also the complete withdrawal of israeli forces from the territory. now, qatar and egypt, which have been mediating the talks, say they have received this response from hamas, and that they will co ordinate the next steps in these negotiations with the united states. now, the deal being discussed is a three stage plan that was announced by president biden. he described it as an israeli proposal. the first stage of this plan would see the release of hostages being held in gaza, and then pave the way for a permanent ceasefire. now, hamas wants a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire because they fear that once the hostages are out, the israeli military may return to gaza to continue with its military operation against the group. now, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu had previously said that israel would not commit to an end of the war without achieving its goals of destroying hamas s military and governing capabilities in gaza. despite prime minister netanyahu s hardline stance that the war will not end until hamas is fully defeated, us secretary of state antony blinken says the plan has israel s backing and that it is hamas who is holding up any agreement to a plan. secretary blinken is in the region for an all out push for a ceasefire in gaza. a day after talks with mr netanyahu america s top diplomat travelled to jordan tuesday for an emergency humanitarian aid conference. while there he announced more than $400 million in aid for palestinians and called on others to provide more assistance. un secretary general antonio guterres also attended, and backed the truce proposal put forward by the us. his appearance came as he released his annual report on children and armed conflict, where for the first time, israeland hamas were added to the list of offenders responsible for violating children s rights. here s mr guterres discussing the crisis facing children in this war. over 50,000 children required treatment for acute malnutrition. and despite the ocean of needs, at least half of all humanitarian aid missions are denied access, impeded or cancelled due to operational or security reasons. the horror must stop. it is high time for a ceasefire along with the unconditional release of hostages. i welcome the peace initiative recently outlined by president biden and urge all parties to seize this opportunity and come to an agreement. and on all of these developments i spoke to frank lowenstein, a former adviser to us secretary of statejohn kerry, who also previously served as us special envoy for middle east peace. i just want to get the latest here on this back and forth on this ceasefire proposal. hamas and the palestinian islamichhad saying that they had readiness to positively reach a deal. they have submitted a response to mediators. we re hearing some reports that they may have rejected it. what are your thoughts on where this all stands right now? the fundamental issue between israel and hamasjust has not been resolved and that is whether this is going to be a permanent ceasefire which is what hamas wants or a temporary ceasefire which is what the israelis are willing to agree to. in effect, what you have is really both sides just trying to shift blame to other side, rather than undertaking any serious efforts to reach an agreement. i think secretary blinken is doing his best to put the onus on sinwar and hamas but it is just extremely difficult to pressure terrorists hiding in tunnels they don t care what happens at the un, they don t care what the jordanians or the saudis or anybody else says and you heard sinwar saying today that he thinks he has the israelis right where they want them. he is going to sacrifice untold numbers of palestinians for the cause. so i think the us is coming to the point where we are at the end of the line for the ceasefire effort. isn t the point then that they can get into a temporary ceasefire that would then perhaps lead to negotiations for what the end of the war could look like? yeah, that is the premise but the problem is that the israelis have made clear in any number of different ways that they have no intention of moving to phase two. they plan for those negotiations to fail at the end of phase one and to resume the war. that is what they keep o saying, we are going to continue to prosecute the war against hamas until we have destroyed them. for hamas, they are just not willing to agree to any kind of a temporary ceasefire and they are not blind here, they understand what israelis are saying, they understand what is really going on, which is this is a short term ceasefire at best for them and i think yahya sinwar does not want to let benjamin netanyahu and israelis off the hook. what about secretary blinken in all of this because he has continued to express optimism that this deal could reach a ceasefire, whether temporary or permanent down the road is thatjust the secretary putting on a brave face? they are doing the absolute best they can. i have been in the same situation that secretary blinken is in right now in 2014 when we were trying to negotiate a ceasefire between israel and hamas and at the end of the day, if we want it more than they do, that he parties have a number of different ways to avoid reaching an agreement so i think the biden administration has done literally everything they possibly could to try to get the parties to agree. it s just that there is a fundamental disagreement at the core of this that remains unresolved and there is really not much more they can do to change that. the key conversation partner in the war cabinet in israel, benny gantz, has stepped down from his position which complicates things. what about where prime minister netanyahu stands because his far right coalition partners have said they will leave the government and collapse the government indeed, if he were to accept the ceasefire deal, but there is popular pressure at home, specifically from the families of the hostages, to accept it. so it would appear he really is in a lose lose situation in many senses? that is a great question. i think his goal is really to have hamas be blamed for the failure of the ceasefire. i do not think benjamin netanyahu really wants a ceasefire. i think he is sort of boxed in a little bit because the us has presented his own offer back to hamas so they are not able to really walk away from it but at the same time they are saying the kind of things that will make it impossible for hamas to agree, which is that they are going to continue the war, no matter what the agreement says. so i think the way bibi is trying to split the difference here is to say yes and mean no and try to keep this coalition as quite as he can so that he can put the blame on hamas. the bigger issue with benny gantz is what is going t happen in lebanon. benny was really a force of moderation inside of the war cabinet and without him there, i think some of the right wingers, smotrich and ben gvir, their voices will get even louder. israel killed a very senior hezbollah commander. if i was secretary blinken i would be very concerned and not just about the ceasefire in gaza but whether they are looking at another war with lebanon. one last quick question. but pressure can antony blinken still have at his disposal? we possibly played our last card. they threatened to kick out the hamas leadership. if they did not agree they threatened to get rid of the leadership. there are terrorists hiding in tunnels are prepared today and prepared to sacrifice their own people and they will continue to push as hard as they can. i do not think that will ever say we will not try anymore but i do not think they have any cards left. always great to have you on bbc news. thank you forjoining us again tonight. ukraine s far east has come under intense russian bombardment over the last few months. but now, the mayor of kharkiv says there have been fewer russian attacks ever since the us allowed ukraine to strike targets across the border using american weapons. it comes as president volodymyr zelensky is in germany to appeal for more support to protect ukrainian cities hoping to encourage european nations to invest in the country s post war reconstruction. 0ur damien mcguinness has more details on mr zelensky s push for recovery efforts in berlin. thousands of delegates from all over the world were in berlin to plan the reconstruction of ukraine after the war. they include governments officials from around 60 countries, as well as business leaders, and that s because the main point of this conference is to get private investment into ukraine. politicians say that state funds are not going to be enough. no matter how many billions of euros and dollars get pumped into ukraine, they need businesses to get involved. and on the one hand, it s immediate reconstruction for bond infrastructure, for example, to provide energy, say, or water to people here and now, on the other hand, it s about rebuilding ukraine in the future, when the warfinishes. and that s more difficult because no one knows how long this is going to last. after the conference, president zelensky went to the bundestag, the german parliament, to deliver a speech. the mps there applauded, gave him a standing ovation, it was a moving moment. but not all mps attended. mps from the far left and the far right boycotted president zelensky s speech, accusing him of escalating the war. and i think as we see national elections here in germany approaching next year, those voices on the extreme are going to get louder. mainstream germany, though, still very much supports ukraine, and they back german chancellor 0laf scholz s line that peace in europe is only possible if ukraine is fully supported. both mr zelensky and german chancellor 0laf scholz will attend the group of seven summit of major western powers later this week. boosting support for ukraine is top of the g7 s agenda, and the white house said on tuesday it plans to announce new sanctions during the conference, including steps to use frozen russian assets to benefit ukraine. also later this week, switzerland will host a summit that aims to create a pathway for peace in ukraine although russia won t be in attendance. for more on ukraine s recovery and economic situation, i spoke to tymofiy mylovanov. he was ukraine s former minister of economic development and trade. look the ukraine recovery conference taking place in berlin, how is it possible for ukraine and its partners to talk about recovery and rebuilding when the war is still raging on? it is actually a resilience conference rather than recovery. and president zelensky today spoke about the priorities and one of them the first one at the conference was an offence. air defence is needed both to protect ukrainian civilians but also to protect the economy. and you cannot have proper defence, proper resistance to russia without a viable economy. the second one was about recovery or the energy generation believes that russia has been systematically targeting, so these things are extremely interconnected. if we talk about recovery and you mention that you go s energy infrastructure just be me tara rushton attacks, this what is it possible to give us any idea of the scale of money that it would need to rebuild that infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive topic, but there are still numbers, for example there is recent research by the kyiv school of economics which shows the numbers in the range of $50 billion. that is what you would need to recover. in terms of the amount or the percentage of generation abilities or capacity that has been affected it is above 50%, that is what observers are saying. this is a significant amount, of course, and if we look at where the funds are going to come from, the european commission said injuly the first 1.5 billion euros of revenue from frozen russian assets will be transferred to ukraine and the white house says this will also be a topic of discussion at the g7. but ukraine s prime minister said ukraine s prime minister said ukraine will need between $10 billion and $30 billion of annual investment over the next ten years. so beyond frozen assets, where do you think those funds will be generated from? ~ ., ., ,, , from? well, the frozen assets actually $300 from? well, the frozen assets actually $300 billion - from? well, the frozen assets actually $300 billion and - from? well, the frozen assets actually $300 billion and so i actually $300 billion and so this is plenty. it s enough. now politicians are talking about just now politicians are talking aboutjust some proceeds which are really minuscule, almost a joke. i mean, it s great to have this 1.5 or $5 billion, but $300 billion align there. but if that resistance is overcome, these assets will be confiscated otherwise it s taxpayers money.- confiscated otherwise it s taxpayers money. what do you think is the taxpayers money. what do you think is the most taxpayers money. what do you think is the most important - think is the most important message that will be taken away from this recovery conference especially as we look ahead to the peace formula summit that will take place in switzerland this weekend? this weekend? indeed. right after the conference, - this weekend? indeed. rightj after the conference, there ll be the peace forum meeting in switzerland focusing on three aspects security, nuclear security, then maritime security, then maritime security and then prisoner protection and children protection. so this isjust going to go right immediately after the conference. what the conference shows is that the europeans are taking the threats from russia seriously, are willing to engage with the ukraine and support its economy. there is a lot of actual talk about the defence part of the economy, how it can be both strengthened to be resilient but also how ukraine can produce more defence equipment there. so this this conference is this week complement each other. if you look ahead complement each other. if you look ahead to complement each other. if you look ahead to that complement each other. if you look ahead to that peace - look ahead to that peace formula summit, you can really want to engage the global south including, of course, china, but beijing has said it is not sending anyone to this conference, well at least that s the latest we heard from beijing. do you think that takes away from what this conference achieves?- takes away from what this conference achieves? no, i don tthink conference achieves? no, i don t think so. conference achieves? no, i don t think so. there ll - conference achieves? no, i don t think so. there ll be l don t think so. there ll be about 100 countries participating in this summit, shows a commitment and importance of this summit. it is also important to recognise that first to build the coalition and agree on the opposition, and then you go to negotiate with the opponent. i m not saying we re quite there yet but it s very important that, first, the countries who are on this side of the democracy and the rule of the democracy and the rule of law, they have to get together to converge on their position. together to converge on their osition. ~ ., ., i. together to converge on their osition. ~ ., ., , ., ~ position. what do you think president position. what do you think president zelenskyy s - position. what do you think - president zelenskyy s message is going to be to countries in the global south that until now have been hesitant, perhaps, to criticise russia and to give ukraine its own full support? many of them have tried to stay out of it, at least publicly, and russia has been campaigning to put pressure on them to if not side with russia, then not to side openly with ukraine. well, so russia is the major disruptor and destabilising factor and it will go after the global south as it sees it fit. so it s in the interest of those various countries to support the order, some kind of security and stability. plus they re very pragmatic implications. food security, russia is trying to weaponise food security especially in global south, arguing to be the only state which can provide food security which is actually not true. it s the only state which undermines food security globally. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let s look at a story making news in the uk. historians in england have found eight perfectly preserved giant stone balls in warwickshire which they believe were catapult missiles in the year 1266. they ve been found by english heritage and its believed the were used to attack kenilworth castle. historian will wyeth has been telling us about them. they would have been terrifying. historic sources talk about how once the king henry the iii set up the siege, he told his nine war machines to fire continuously for 192 days. it would have been cinematic quality siege that these stones are a part of. the seige on kenilworth castle was one of the longest in english history and happened when the country was in the grip of civil war. the occupents eventually surrendered the castle to the king. the uncovered stone projectiles range in size from 1 kilogram to 105 kilograms or about 2 to 231 pounds. they were found while english heritage was working on a project to promote accessibility at the castle. they were able to link them to the seige because of a previous discovery at the site. you re watchling bbc news. the son of the us president is facing up to 25 years in jail, after being found guilty of lying about his drug use in order to purchase a firearm. a federaljury found hunter biden guilty on all three felony charges brought against him forfailing to disclose his drug use when buying a gun in 2018. it s the first criminal prosecution of the child of a sitting us president. hunter biden s lawyers say they are disappointed by the verdict and will pursue legal challenges. president biden said he would respect the result, and said he and his wife, jill, were proud of hunter for overcoming his drug addiction. but special prosecutor david weiss said the case was not about addiction, but about crime. while there has been much testimony about the defendant s abuse of drugs and alcohol, ultimately this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s family. this case was about the illegal choices the defendant made while in the throes of addiction his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. the bbc s carl nasman was covering the trial in delaware. i spoke to him earlier what do we know about how the jury reached this verdict? well, we know it came pretty quickly. after a week long trial, so many different witnesses called, so much evidence introduced here it only took them about three hours of deliberation to reach that unanimous guilty verdict on all three charges here in delaware. we ve also actually been speaking with one of the jurors themselves, we will keep them anonymous and call them juror number 10, and what he told us was despite the last name of the defendant in this case, politics did not play a role inside the deliberation room itself. here is some of what he told us during that interview. he said i was never thinking of presidentjoe biden, even though mrs biden, jill biden, the first lady, was there in the courtroom. somehow you block it out of your mind. his dad was not on trial. so despite all the talk and analysis of how political this trial may be, in terms of the 12jurors, six men and six women, to them when they were in that room they tell us, at least one juror says it was not a political discussion, this was all about the facts in the case. so much attention paid to this case. what have some of the reactions to the verdict being? the reaction is getting pretty political, if you talk about the democrats, for a long time they really didn t want to discuss hunter biden and his criminal issues, his behaviour issues, that was something that was a bit embarrassing. now we re starting to hear more democratic politicians come out and really react to this, one of them, alexandria 0casio cortez, a representative from new york, said this verdict really does a lot to disapprove former president donald trump s claims of somehow the justice system is rigged against him, is out to get him, prosecuting him in his own criminal trials. she says, hey, this son of the current sitting president has just been convicted of his own crime, that should go a long way towards disproving those claims. in terms of republicans, what some of them are saying, it has really been a mixed reaction, but they have been trying to link presidentjoe biden to his son for a long time, that rhetoric wrapping up again, a trump backer, a potential vice president candidate amongst them, calling it the biden crime family. that is something we have been hearing a lot now today and over the past few years. we have about 30 seconds left. let us know what happens next. we don t have a sentencing date yet. that is expected to come in the next 120 days or so, that is when will find out exactly what hunter biden s fate will be. we have heard it could be a 25 year sentence, it is likely be much less than that. looking down the line, though, not the end of hunter biden s legal problems. he has another criminal trial in california. that is expected to begin in september. for more analysis of the verdict, i spoke to shan wu, a former federal prosecutor. i saw you wrote a little bit earlier today, merrick garland, the attorney general, strives to run the department ofjustice without fear orfavour, but the hunter biden prosecutions exemplify him doing both. what you mean by that? merrick garland is a very honourable man, he has a tremendous fear of the department and him looking partisan, probably like a ptsd from the leftover effect of bill barr having looked very partisan as the attorney general. because of that to me and a lot of prosecutors he allowed this case to go forward in a very unusual circumstance. it is very, very rare, in fact i never heard of it before, for someone to be convicted of this crime, which is lying on the certification for possession of a gun, if the gun wasn t used in any other crime. when we see that from the original attempt to dispose of the case through something called diversion which is no criminal conviction at all. that is the sort of fear part so worried about looking partisan so he allowed this to go forward on its own. hold on, because there was a crime committed here, correct? yes. i mean, hunter biden did fill out a form saying he wasn t using drugs and we heard throughout the course of the testimony that he was still in the throes of addiction and did put down on that form that he wasn t when he bought it. correct, yes, that s absolutely a crime. it s just one is very rarely charged if the only issue is that the person lied about being a drug addict and the gun wasn t used in any other violent crime. so what you re saying is you think the doj was pushing this case forward to give the appearance of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t say garland was pushing it forward himself but he allowed itjust to keep going, it was a very unusual case, the investigation prosecution has lasted almost a half decade for such a minor kind of charge. the president of malawi has confirmed that vice president, saulos chilima, has been killed in a plane crash. in a sombre address to the nation, lazarus chakwera said the aircraft, which was carrying chilima, and nine others. a search and rescue team has found the aircraft near a hill in the chikangawa forest and they have found it completely destroyed, with no survivors, as all passengers on board were killed on impact. words cannot describe how heartbreaking this is and i can only imagine how much pain and anguish you all must be feeling at this time. for more on the search mission, the bbc s kalkidan yibeltal sent this update. the search mission has been complicated because of the landscape of the area. the aircraft was believed to be missing around the forest and because of bad weather. so, the plane was not found and even today, in the morning, the government came out and they said that because the area was foggy, they were having reduced visibility which was making their efforts difficult. however, there were fears that the plane might ve crashed in the forest and maybe the people on board might have died. we do not know what caused the air crash and investigations we are waiting for the results of the investigations to come out and to tell us but we can understand now that the vice president and his fellow passengers are all killed in this incident. and there is an expectation that there could be a funeral in the coming days. before we go, a us court has found that the multi national fruit company, chiquita brand national is liable for financing a colombian para military group. chiquita has been ordered to pay over 38 million dollars in damages, following a civil case brought by eight colombian families whose relatives were killed by the united self defence forces of colombia. the company says it intends to appeal the verdict. that s all for this hour. thanks for watching bbc news. stay with us. hello there. it s felt quite pleasant in any strong june sunshine. but generally temperatures have been below par for this time of year and wednesday looks pretty similar to the last few days. some spells of sunshine, variable cloud and further showers mostly across eastern areas. i think there ll be fewer showers around on wednesday because this is a ridge of high pressure, will tend to kill the showers off. the winds will be lighter, but we re still got that blue hue, that cold arctic air hanging around for at least one more day before something milder starts to push in off the atlantic, but with wind and rain. so it s a chilly start to wednesday. temperatures could be in low single digits in some rural spots. these are towns and city values. a little bit of mist and fog where skies have cleared overnight, but it s here where you ll have the best of the sunshine, northern and western areas. a bit of cloud across eastern scotland, eastern england, one 01’ two showers. through the day, it ll be one of sunshine and showers, but the clouds will tend to build most of the showers eastern areas, tending to stay drier towards the west with the best of the sunshine. so it could be up to 17 or 18 degrees in the sunniest spots, but generally cool, ten to 15 or 16 celsius. and then as we move through wednesday night, any showers fade away, lengthy, clear skies. the temperatures will tumble against mist and fog developing. temperatures in rural spots dipping close to freezing in a few places. generally, though, in the towns and cities, we re looking at 4 to eight degrees. now we ll start to see some changes into thursday. we change the wind direction, we lose that cooler air, something a bit milder. but this frontal system tied into low pressure will start to bring wet and windy weather initially into northern ireland, spreading across the irish sea, into western britain and pushing its way eastward. so we start dry with some early sunshine across eastern areas and it should stay dry, i think in eastern england, eastern scotland until after dark. we change the wind direction despite more cloud around, 17 or 18 degrees. and it means thursday night will be milder. so a milder start to friday, but low pressure across the country bring stronger winds, sunshine and showers or longer spells of rain. some of these showers will be heavy and thundery, particularly across southern and western areas. but despite that, in the sunshine, it ll feel a little bit warmer, maybe 19 or 20 degrees. not much change into the weekend, low pressure dominates the scene. it ll be breezy at times. there will be showers or longer spells of rain again, some of them heavy and thundery. but in the sunnier, brighter moments, it llfeela bit warmer, 19 or 20 degrees. and another thing you ll notice, it will feel milder at night. take care. voice-over: this is bbc news. we will have the headlines for you at the top of the hour, which is straight after this programme. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. of all the world s continents, africa is the one likely to see the greatest transformation in the course of this century. it will likely be home to almost 40% of all humanity by 2100. if, by then, africans have benefited from sustainable development, their global economic power will be enormous. if they haven t, then they could be facing 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hamas has not confirmed the claim and said the proposal opens up a wide pathway to reach an agreement. from jerusalem, our middle east correspondent hugo bachega has more. hamas has expressed readiness to reach a deal, but it s sticking to its initial demands, and they include a guarantee that there will be a permanent ceasefire in gaza, and also the complete withdrawal of israeli forces from the territory. now, qatar and egypt, which have been mediating the talks, say they have received this response from hamas, and that they will co ordinate the next steps in these negotiations with the united states. now, the deal being discussed is a three stage plan that was announced by president biden. he described it as an israeli proposal. the first stage of this plan would see the release of hostages being held in gaza, and then pave the way for a permanent ceasefire. now, hamas wants a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire because they fear that once the hostages are out, the israeli military may return to gaza to continue with its military operation against the group. now, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu had previously said that israel would not commit to an end of the war without achieving its goals of destroying hamas s military and governing capabilities in gaza. despite prime minister netanyahu s hardline stance that the war will not end until hamas is fully defeated, us secretary of state antony blinken says the plan has israel s backing and that it is hamas who is holding up any agreement to a plan. secretary blinken is in the region for an all out push for a ceasefire in gaza. a day after talks with mr netanyahu america s top diplomat travelled to jordan tuesday for an emergency humanitarian aid conference. while there he announced more than $400 million in aid for palestinians and called on others to provide more assistance. un secretary general antonio guterres also attended, and backed the truce proposal put forward by the us. his appearance came as he released his annual report on children and armed conflict, where for the first time, israeland hamas were added to the list of offenders responsible for violating children s rights. here s mr guterres discussing the crisis facing children in this war. over 50,000 children required treatment for acute malnutrition. and despite the ocean of needs, at least half of all humanitarian aid missions are denied access, impeded or cancelled due to operational or security reasons. the horror must stop. it is high time for a ceasefire along with the unconditional release of hostages. i welcome the peace initiative recently outlined by president biden and urge all parties to seize this opportunity and come to an agreement. and on all of these developments i spoke to frank lowenstein, a former adviser to us secretary of statejohn kerry, who also previously served as us special envoy for middle east peace. i just want to get the latest here on this back and forth on this ceasefire proposal. hamas and the palestinian islamichhad saying that they had readiness to positively reach a deal. they have submitted a response to mediators. we re hearing some reports that they may have rejected it. what are your thoughts on where this all stands right now? the fundamental issue between israel and hamasjust has not been resolved and that is whether this is going to be a permanent ceasefire which is what hamas wants or a temporary ceasefire which is what the israelis are willing to agree to. in effect, what you have is really both sides just trying to shift blame to other side, rather than undertaking any serious efforts to reach an agreement. i think secretary blinken is doing his best to put the onus on sinwar and hamas but it is just extremely difficult to pressure terrorists hiding in tunnels they don t care what happens at the un, they don t care what the jordanians or the saudis or anybody else says and you heard sinwar saying today that he thinks he has the israelis right where they want them. he is going to sacrifice untold numbers of palestinians for the cause. so i think the us is coming to the point where we are at the end of the line for the ceasefire effort. isn t the point then that they can get into a temporary ceasefire that would then perhaps lead to negotiations for what the end of the war could look like? yeah, that is the premise but the problem is that the israelis have made clear in any number of different ways that they have no intention of moving to phase two. they plan for those negotiations to fail at the end of phase one and to resume the war. that is what they keep o saying, we are going to continue to prosecute the war against hamas until we have destroyed them. for hamas, they are just not willing to agree to any kind of a temporary ceasefire and they are not blind here, they understand what israelis are saying, they understand what is really going on, which is this is a short term ceasefire at best for them and i think yahya sinwar does not want to let benjamin netanyahu and israelis off the hook. what about secretary blinken in all of this because he has continued to express optimism that this deal could reach a ceasefire, whether temporary or permanent down the road is thatjust the secretary putting on a brave face? they are doing the absolute best they can. i have been in the same situation that secretary blinken is in right now in 2014 when we were trying to negotiate a ceasefire between israel and hamas and at the end of the day, if we want it more than they do, that he parties have a number of different ways to avoid reaching an agreement so i think the biden administration has done literally everything they possibly could to try to get the parties to agree. it s just that there is a fundamental disagreement at the core of this that remains unresolved and there is really not much more they can do to change that. the key conversation partner in the war cabinet in israel, benny gantz, has stepped down from his position which complicates things. what about where prime minister netanyahu stands because his far right coalition partners have said they will leave the government and collapse the government indeed, if he were to accept the ceasefire deal, but there is popular pressure at home, specifically from the families of the hostages, to accept it. so it would appear he really is in a lose lose situation in many senses? that is a great question. i think his goal is really to have hamas be blamed for the failure of the ceasefire. i do not think benjamin netanyahu really wants a ceasefire. i think he is sort of boxed in a little bit because the us has presented his own offer back to hamas so they are not able to really walk away from it but at the same time they are saying the kind of things that will make it impossible for hamas to agree, which is that they are going to continue the war, no matter what the agreement says. so i think the way bibi is trying to split the difference here is to say yes and mean no and try to keep this coalition as quite as he can so that he can put the blame on hamas. the bigger issue with benny gantz is what is going t happen in lebanon. benny was really a force of moderation inside of the war cabinet and without him there, i think some of the right wingers, smotrich and ben gvir, their voices will get even louder. israel killed a very senior hezbollah commander. if i was secretary blinken i would be very concerned and not just about the ceasefire in gaza but whether they are looking at another war with lebanon. 0ne one last quick question. but pressure can antony blinken still have at his disposal? we possibly played our last card. they threatened to kick out the hamas leadership. if they did not agree they threatened to get rid of the leadership. there are terrorists hiding in tunnels are prepared today and prepared to sacrifice their own people and they will continue to push as hard as they can. i do not think that will ever say we will not try anymore but i do not think they have any cards left. always great to have you on bbc news. thank you forjoining us again tonight. thanks for having me. the son of the us president is facing up to 25 years in jail, after being found guilty of lying about his drug use in order to purchase a firearm. a federaljury found hunter biden guilty on all three felony charges brought against him forfailing to disclose his drug use when buying a gun in 2018. it s the first criminal prosecution of the child of a sitting us president. hunter biden s lawyers say they are disappointed by the verdict and will pursue legal challenges. while hunter could face 25 years in prison, first time offenders typically do not receive jail time. president biden commented on the verdict in a statement saying: while there has been much testimony about the defendant s abuse of drugs and alcohol, ultimately this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s family. this case was about the illegal choices the defendant made while in the throes of addiction his choice to lie a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. the bbc s carl nasman was covering the trial in delaware. i spoke to him earlier. while we know about how the jury while we know about how the jury reached this verdict? well, we know it came pretty quickly. after a week long trial, so many different witnesses called, so much evidence introduced here it only took them about three hours of deliberation to reach that unanimous guilty verdict on all three charges here in delaware. we also actually been speaking with one of the jurors themselves, we will keep them anonymous and call them during number 10, anonymous and call them during number10, and anonymous and call them during number 10, and what he told us was despite the last name of the defendant in this case, politics did not play a role inside the deliberation room itself stop here are some of what he told us during that interview. he said iwas never thinking of prezza joe biden, even though mrs biden, jill biden, the first lady, was there in the courtroom stop somehow you block it out of your mind. his dad was not on trial. are displayed all the talk and analysis of how political this trial may be, in terms of the 12 jurors, six political this trial may be, in terms of the i2jurors, six men and six women, to them when they were in that room they tell us, at least one juror says it was not a political discussion, this was all about the facts in the case. 50 discussion, this was all about the facts in the case. so much attention the facts in the case. so much attention paid the facts in the case. so much attention paid to the facts in the case. so much attention paid to this - the facts in the case. so much attention paid to this case. . attention paid to this case. what are some of the reactions to the verdict being? the reaction to the verdict being? the reaction is to the verdict being? the reaction is getting - to the verdict being? tue: reaction is getting pretty political, if you talk about the democrats, for a long time they really didn t want to discuss hunter biden and his criminal issues, his behaviour issues, that was something that was a bit embarrassing. now we re starting here more democratic politicians come out and really react to this, one of them, alexandria 0casio cortez from new york said this verdict really does a lot to disapprove former president donald trump ausmat claims of somehow the justice system is rigged against him, is out to get him, prosecuting him in his own criminal trials. she says, hey, this son of the current sitting president has just been convicted of his own crime, that should go a long way to disproving those claims. in terms of republicans, what some of them are saying, has really been a mixed reaction, but they have been trying to link presentjoe biden to his son for a long time, that rhetoric wrapping up again, a trump backer, a potential vice president amongst them, calling it the biden crime family. that is something we have been hearing a lot now today and over the last two years. we have about over the last two years. we have about 30 over the last two years. we have about 30 seconds left. let us know what happens next. we don t have us know what happens next. - don t have a sentencing date yet. that is expected to come in the next 120 days or so, thatis in the next 120 days or so, that is when will find out exactly what hunter biden s f8 will be. we have heard it could be a 25 year sentence, is likely be much less than that. not the end of hunter biden s legal problems, he has another criminal trial in california, thatis criminal trial in california, that is expected to begin in september. that is expected to begin in september- that is expected to begin in september. let s talk more about this september. let s talk more about this now. with me is shan wu, a former federal prosecutor. always great to have you here. let s jump always great to have you here. let sjump into always great to have you here. let s jump into some of the reactions, i saw you wrote a little bit earlier today, merrick garland strives to run the department ofjustice without fear or favour, the department ofjustice without fear orfavour, but the department ofjustice without fear or favour, but the hunter biden prosecutions exemplify him doing both. what you mean by that? you mean by that? merrick garland is you mean by that? merrick garland is a you mean by that? merrick garland is a very you mean by that? merrick. garland is a very honourable man, he has tremendous fear of the department and him looking partisan, probably like a ptsd from the leftover effect of bill barr having looked very partisan as the attorney general. because of that to me and a lot of prosecutors he allowed this case to go forward in a very unusual circumstance, it very, very rare, interactive never heard of it before, for someone to be convicted of this crime, which is lying on the certification for possession of a gun, if the gun wasn t used in any other crime. when we see that from the original attempt to dispose of the case through something like the virgin voyages no criminal conviction at all. that is the sort of fear but, worried about looking partisan so he allowed this to go forward on its own.- partisan so he allowed this to go forward on its own. hold on, because there go forward on its own. hold on, because there was go forward on its own. hold on, because there was a go forward on its own. hold on, because there was a crime - because there was a crime committed here, correct? yes. hunter biden did fill out a form saying he wasn t using drugs and we heard throughout the course of the testimony that he was still in the throes of addiction and did put down on that form that he wasn t when he bought it. correct, es, when he bought it. correct, yes. that s when he bought it. correct, yes, that s absolutely - when he bought it. correct, yes, that s absolutely a - when he bought it. correct, yes, that s absolutely a it s| yes, that s absolutely a it s just one is very rarely charged if the only issue is that the person lied about being a drug addicts and the gun wasn t used in any other violent crime. 50 in any other violent crime. so what you re saying is you think the doj was pushing this case forward to give the appearance of being unbiased? of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t say of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t say garlett - of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t say garlett was l wouldn t say garlett was pushing forward himself but he allowed itjust to keep going, it was a very unusual case, the investigation prosecution is lasted almost a half decade for such a minor kind of charge. david wise says that it is not about anything other than a crime and to prove that no one is above the law. crime and to prove that no-one is above the law. is above the law. what you think of that? is above the law. what you think of that? think - is above the law. what you think of that? think it - is above the law. what you l think of that? think it proves that no one is above the law and, as the reporting was just pointing out, it certainly puts a lie to the idea that the doj is a biased place, if anything, most people feel that they have lead to far in the opposite direction to show they are not based on may have allowed an unusual case to go forward, really because hunter biden s last name is biden. and special counsel was as it is not about drug addiction. technically he is right, it is about lying about the drug addiction, but it certainly is about drug addiction. the overwhelming amount of the evidence was all towards proving how much she was using drugs. towards proving how much she was using drugs. right. we even had some clippings was using drugs. right. we even had some clippings of was using drugs. right. we even had some clippings of his - had some clippings of his audiobook that went to that point. still about sentencing. the first offenders real time isn t necessarily usual. what do you think we can expect? t do you think we can expect? i think is likely there will be probation. underthe federal probation. under the federal system probation. underthe federal system in the us is a fairly specific bunch of recommendations that come forward based on scores and an important part of that score for the defendant is the lack of a prior criminal history and the lack of any violence in the offence. it also sounds like number from the tone of what special counsel was saying, it s not like they want a very harsh centres, they prosecuted this in an objective way, let the recommendations be what they will from the probation officer. 50 they will from the probation officer. ., ., , they will from the probation officer. . ., , officer. so that means we could see no jail officer. so that means we could see no jail time, officer. so that means we could see nojailtime, is officer. so that means we could see no jail time, is that - see no jail time, is that correct? see nojailtime, is that correct? see no jailtime, is that correct? . , , see no jailtime, is that correct? i, correct? that s possible, yes. what about correct? that s possible, yes. what about the correct? that s possible, yes. what about the legal - correct? that s possible, yes. what about the legal options| what about the legal options other hunter biden and his team because his defence lawyers said we will pursue any avenues. what would that look like? , ., like? they can appeal the case, certainly. like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there are like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there are a like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there are a couple . certainly, there are a couple one would be the overwhelming amount of evidence that kind of tawdry and embarrassing and the appellate judge tawdry and embarrassing and the appellatejudge might say tawdry and embarrassing and the appellate judge might say you overdid it a little bit, prosecuting, it ended up being more prejudicial than probative, there is also an unusual moment in the closing where the prosecutor reference hunter s family being the audience, including the first lady, and they clearly did that to offset the sympathy, but it s very unusual for a prosecutor, i ve never seen it done, to reference the audience there and that might end up coming back to haunt them a little bit. but the biggest problem for them is there is still another criminal case on the horizon which is the tax case. , ., , case. hunter biden s taxis in california- case. hunter biden s taxis in california. right. case. .. hunter biden s taxis in california. right. so case. .. hunter biden s taxis in california. right. so it- california. right. so it is difficult for california. right. so it is difficult for them - california. right. so it is difficult for them now i california. right. so it is difficult for them now to j california. right. so it is- difficult for them now to know what to do that, they may have taken a hard line if the plea bargain fell apart, we re going to trial, but whatever conviction he gets there, even if he pleads guilty to it, now his score is going to go up in terms of adjusting justin ters lab because he has the other conviction. lab because he has the other conviction- conviction. this story is certainly conviction. this story is certainly not conviction. this story is certainly not over- conviction. this story is certainly not over yet. l conviction. this story is - certainly not over yet. great to have you with us. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let s look at a story making news in the uk. historians in england have found eight perfectly preserved giant stone balls in warwickshire which they believe were catapult missiles in the year 1266. they ve been found by english heritage and its believed the were used to attack kenilworth castle. historian will wyeth has been telling us about them. they would have been terrifying. historic sources talk about how 1 s thinking had set up. you know, historic sources talk about how once the king henry iii had set up the siege at the castle, he told his nine war machines to fire continuously for 172 days. so it would have been kind of cinematic quality siege that these stones are part of, really. the siege on kenilworth castle was one of the longest in english history and happened when the country was in the grip of civil war. the occupants eventually surrendered the castle to the king. the uncovered stone projectiles range in size from 1 kilogram to 105 kilograms or about 2 to 231 pounds. they were found while english heritage was working on a project to promote accessibility at the castle. they were able to link them to the siege because of a previous discovery at the site. you re live with bbc news. ukraine s far east has come under intense russian bombardment over the last few months. but now, the mayor of kharkiv says there have been fewer russian attacks ever since the us allowed ukraine to strike targets across the border using american weapons. it comes as president volodymyr zelensky is in germany to appeal for more support to protect ukrainian cities, hoping to encourage european nations to invest in the country s post war reconstruction. 0ur david mcguinness has more details on mr zelensky s push for recovery efforts in berlin. thousands of delegates from all over the world were in berlin to plan the reconstruction of ukraine after the war. they include governments officials from around 60 countries, as well as business leaders, and that s because the main point of this conference is to get private investment into ukraine. politicians say that state funds are not going to be enough. no matter how many billions of euros and dollars get pumped into ukraine, they need businesses to get involved. and on the one hand, its immediate reconstruction for bond infrastructure, for example, to provide energy, say, or water to people here and now, on the other hand, it s about rebuilding ukraine in the future, when the war finishes. and that s more difficult because no one knows how long this is going to last. after the conference, president zelensky went to the bundestag, the german parliament, to deliver a speech. the mps there applauded, gave him a standing ovation, it was a moving moment. but not all mps attended. mps from the far left and the far right boycotted president zelensky s speech, accusing him of escalating the war. and i think as we see national elections here in germany approaching next year, those voices on the extreme are going to get louder. mainstream germany, though, still very much supports ukraine, and they back german chancellor 0laf scholz s line that peace in europe is only possible if ukraine is fully supported. both mr zelensky and german chancellor 0laf scholz will attend the group of 7 summit of major western powers later this week. boosting support for ukraine is top of the g7 s agenda, and the white house said on tuesday it plans to announce new sanctions during the conference, including steps to use frozen russian assets to benefit ukraine. box also later this week switzerland will host a summit that aims to create a pathway for peace in ukraine although russia won t be in attendance. i spoke earlier to tymofiy mylovanov ukraine s former minister of economic development and trade and i asked him how its possible for ukraine to talk about recovery with the war still raging. it is actually resilience rather than recovery. president zelensky today spoke about the priorities and one of them the first one at the conference was an offence. ed offence is needed both to protect ukrainian civilians but also to protect the economy. and you cannot have proper defence, proper resistance to russia without a viable economy. the second one was about recovery or the energy generation believes that russia has been systematically targeting, so these things are extremely interconnected. it these things are extremely interconnected. interconnected. if we talk about recovery interconnected. if we talk about recovery as - interconnected. if we talk about recovery as a - interconnected. if we talk about recovery as a new | interconnected. if we talk - about recovery as a new mention that you go s energy infrastructure just be me tara rushton attacks, this what is it possible to give us any idea of the scale of money that it would need to rebuild that infrastructure? it would need to rebuild that infrastructure? would need to rebuild that infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive topic, infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive topic, but - infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive topic, but there are still numbers, for example there is recent research by a school of economics which shows the numbers in the range of $50 billion. that is what you would need to recover. in terms of the amount or the percentage of generation abilities or capacity that has been affected it is above 50%, that is what observers are saying. the president of malawi has confirmed that vice president saulos chilima has been killed in a plane crash. in a sombre address to the nation, lazarus chakwera said the aircraft which was carrying chilima, and nine others. and nine others had crashed. a search and rescue team has found the aircraft near a hill in the chikangawa forest and they have found it completely destroyed, with no survivors, as all passengers on board were killed on impact. words cannot describe how heartbreaking this is and i can only imagine how much pain and anguish you all must be feeling at this time. for more on the search mission, the bbc s kalkidan yibeltal sent this update. the search mission has been complicated because of the landscape of the area. the aircraft was believed to be missing around the forest and because of bad weather. so, the plane was not found and even today, in the morning, the government came out and they said that because the area was foggy, they were having reduced visibility which was making their efforts difficult. however, there were fears that the plane might ve crashed in the forest and maybe the people on board might have died. we do not know what caused the air crash and investigations we are waiting for the results of the investigations to come out and to tell us but we can understand now that the vice president and his fellow passengers are all killed in this incident. and there is an expectation that there could be a funeral in the coming days. let s turn to some important news around the world. the united nations says a boat carrying 260 migrants sank off yemen s coast on monday, killing at least 49 people. 140 others are still missing. the un s international migration agency said a shortage of operational patrol boats is posing a challenge to ongoing search and rescue operations. most of the 71 survivors required minor medical care, eight were transferred to hospital for treatment. thai police say a fire ripped through pet shops next to a famous bangkok market early tuesday, killing around 1,000 caged animals and damaging more than 100 stalls. authorities believe the blaze was started by an electrical short circuit, adding that no human casualties have been reported. the incident renewed calls to shut the pet zone, which has been criticized for poor living conditions. the chief prosecutor at the international criminal court says his office is urgently investigating allegations of crimes against humanity in the sudanese city of el fasher the capital of north darfur. it comes as the us envoy to sudan has told the bbc the fighting was stoking ethnic tensions, and warned that the city could fall imminently. a us court has found multi national fruit company, chiquita brand international, liable for financing a colombian para military group. chiquita has been ordered to pay over $38 million in damages, following a civil case brought by eight colombian families whose relatives were killed by the united self defence forces of colombia. the company says it intends to appeal the verdict. that is our programme at this hour. thank you for watching bbc news. hello there. it s felt quite pleasant in any strong june sunshine. but generally temperatures have been below par for this time of year and wednesday looks pretty similar to the last few days. some spells of sunshine, variable cloud and further showers mostly across eastern areas. i think there ll be fewer showers around on wednesday because this is a ridge of high pressure, will tend to kill the showers off. the winds will be lighter, but we re still got that blue hue, that cold arctic air hanging around for at least one more day before something milder starts to push in off the atlantic, but with wind and rain. so it s a chilly start to wednesday. temperatures could be in low single digits in some rural spots. these are towns and city values. a little bit of mist and fog where skies have cleared overnight, but it s here where you ll have the best of the sunshine, northern and western areas. a bit of cloud across eastern scotland, eastern england, one 01’ two showers. through the day, it ll be one of sunshine and showers, but the clouds will tend to build most of the showers eastern areas, tending to stay drier towards the west with the best of the sunshine. so it could be up to 17 or 18 degrees in the sunniest spots, but generally cool, ten to 15 or 16 celsius. and then as we move through wednesday night, any showers fade away, lengthy, clear skies. the temperatures will tumble against mist and fog developing. temperatures in rural spots dipping close to freezing in a few places. generally, though, in the towns and cities, we re looking at 4 to eight degrees. now we ll start to see some changes into thursday. we change the wind direction, we lose that cooler air, something a bit milder. but this frontal system tied into low pressure will start to bring wet and windy weather initially into northern ireland, spreading across the irish sea, into western britain and pushing its way eastward. so we start dry with some early sunshine across eastern areas and it should stay dry, i think in eastern england, eastern scotland until after dark. we change the wind direction despite more cloud around, 17 or 18 degrees. and it means thursday night will be milder. so a milder start to friday, but low pressure across the country bring stronger winds, sunshine and showers or longer spells of rain. some of these showers will be heavy and thundery, particularly across southern and western areas. but despite that, in the sunshine, it ll feel a little bit warmer, maybe 19 or 20 degrees. not much change into the weekend, low pressure dominates the scene. it ll be breezy at times. there will be showers or longer spells of rain again, some of them heavy and thundery. but in the sunnier, brighter moments, it llfeela bit warmer, 19 or 20 degrees. and another thing you ll notice, it will feel milder at night. take care. voice-over: this is bbc news. we will have the headlines for you at the top of the hour, which is straight after this programme. hello. welcome to the media show. well, on this week s programme, we ve talked about a couple of subjects which are pretty familiar to us on the media show, but they re no less pressing because of that. one is howjournalists should cover donald trump and of course, he s trying to become president of america again and the other is about the business models of news, because they are under ever more pressure. and when it comes to the business model, we are also looking at al and journalism, because several news organisations have done recent deals with the big tech firms. so that is all 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seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it s powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we ve got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i m kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it s safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here s what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn s john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we re told that the commissioner of new york s probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who s assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you d this case. now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today s interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump s punishment will be, i m joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. maggie, i mean it s a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party s nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don t think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don t same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it s on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you ve heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. it has not actually don t think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he s i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn t seem like he s going he has been making that argument based on what he s been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he s also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don t know specifically what he said in this interview. it was pretty short today. i don t know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we ve seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that s all just politics. or he didn t mean it, or what have you remember? he s going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don t know what this ends up looking like it i don t see a world where trump stands up and says, i m really sorry because trump s still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you re right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that ll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. we ll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it s so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump s case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it s interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance s making very clear. it s also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there s doing it on on television and interviews. my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they re playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that s gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? these reports matter. they re not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn t open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that s how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it s private information, it s personal information, so it s very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they re going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. because let s put ourselves in alvin bragg s position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he s likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it s hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we re fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it s much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there s a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he s dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump s been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he s convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person s criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you re agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. i also think that it could end up being i m not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn t happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i m wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don t think that s likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. it s just something it s more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he s not if there s not jail as a result of this. i mean, even if he s checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there s a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump s co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel s ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. we ve kaitlan collins. he s brought to you by up devo plus your voice. find out more at up devo.com. if 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on daylight, we typically this kind of stuff seems to happen at night. it was interesting that it did happen and daylight when i was in combat truthfully, kaitlan, we did normal conventional operations in the daytime and nighttime was left mostly for the special operators to do these kind of hits within our area of operation. so to do this in daylight, is just phenomenal to me that takes even more training. but they had to get in there, they had to see the ground and they had to see the train that they were operating on. and what does that tell you about the hostages? notice they re being held and buildings and apartments we know some of them were told are being held in tunnels, but clearly some of them are being moved around and being held held in buildings, but held in palestinian homes where palestinians were aware that they were there this is the coercion that hamas has on the local residents of gaza. and it s right smack in the middle of a neighborhood. and in fact, a un relief agency building was nearby. we have seen this throughout the campaign that these kind of operations by the israeli defense forces are taking place in neighborhoods with mosque, with hospitals, with schools. all of it within the environment of the palestinian people. it s remarkable, general mark hertling great to have you here tonight. also, your tonight, israel s ambassador to the united nations go out or dawn great to have you back. i do know how the hostages are doing. what would ve israeli officials heard about them they said that they re doing well, obviously they need psychological treatment and other kinds of treatment to recover from what they ve endured. but thank god, there they re at home and they are with their families. and that s the most important thing this were four people who were rescued. this puts the total that israel has rescued of hostages since october 7. its seven people. and obviously, it s undeniable that this is a success for the families and that they are happy to see this but also the question is do you, are you worried that it jeopardizes a potential bigger hostage agreement with hamas to release them on the contrary, i don t think he jeopardizes the bigger hostage deal since we had the first deal, hamas refused every for was put on the table. there were own ready. today we re where we had the fourth security council resolution that passed, but we had three previous ones that were rejected by hamas calling for the release of the hostages so it s the only thing that can work is this combination of diplomacy applying international pressure on hamas that started only today with the resolution that passed in the security council. and using our military might. but you can t what israel has not been able to do is rescue all of them through these special ops operations that are happening. we just talked about the difficulty of it. you can see they is so i do think that s a real question tonight of what it means for for a hostage deal, for getting the rest of the hostages home i don t think we forget them. i mean, we we are willing to sacrifice. you saw we are losing when we paying the ultimate price are best soldiers or lose all right sacrificing their life to save the hostages. hamas does the opposite, but what other choice do we have as long as hamas refuses to every hostage deal, i mean, president biden said ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said, the resolution said that we accepted the new hostage deal we are accepting the outline that appeared in the resolution today. i want to ask you about what happened at the united nations today. but on this, israel s facing a lot of backlash internationally because of how many palestinians were killed as a result of this rate, how does israel justify how many fatalities? it s worth going in and conducting a raid like this in broad daylight when civilians were obviously out. sadly, sadly, you cannot interview here one of the hamas commanders because he s the right address to ask him this question. it s not us to justify. they re putting their own civilians in harm s way. what other choice do? we have? any country would do the same in order to release and rescue their hostages. and still, we don t know the real numbers of un-involved civilians. there were so many civilians. there that we re cooperating with hamas to keep, to keep the, you know, to keep the host the jezzine in apartments to report to hamas when our forces are getting closer and many times, we know that hamas is using civilians that are not affiliated with any terrorist organization, but still they are terrorists. so we cannot still use the terrorist numbers, as you said these are hamas numbers, figures 200 276, and we regret the loss of life. we always, when there s an opportunity and there s an option, we want this civilian population, we hope that they re not going to stay in harm s way, but you re not denying obviously innocent lives were also lost as a result are you soon i assume, yes. and i regret it and i it s a tragedy, but we cannot i mean, if we don t put the blame on hamas, we are helping and advancing their strategy because otherwise, other terrorists, we are going to use the same strategy in many other countries. if you can abduct innocent civilians and then hold them in civilians apartment and think that you have immunity. it s not going to work. we will never defeat terrorism. let s talk about what happened at the united nations today because you just mentioned in that security council the resolution that passed, it is the first time we ve seen something like this passed since october 7 happened in the eight months since the war happened, you are present for the vote today, but you didn t address the security council. why not? well, i thought that we don t want now to emphasize any differences. i know when sometimes when i speak, people are listening to me and they re listening to what they want to listen to so we preferred to lower the tone today as i said, we accept president biden s first of all, we respect him and we are grateful to all of his efforts and his administration efforts. we accept and we accepted the outline of the deal, but i have to admit we had our concerns about the way it will be interpreted by hamas. that s why we held an intimate dialogue with our american counterparts once our security concerns were addressed so we accepted the deal. you said you had concerns. this is a resolution calling for an immediate it s fire, ultimately a permanent one, and the release of all hostages. can you say tonight that israel unequivocally backs this resolution again, it depends on the interpretation because there s phase one, phase two, phase three, moving from phase one that caused, now for the release of the world on the than the women and the elderly that should be done by hamas. and then moving to phase two, that, then you get to the permanent end of hostilities, ceasefire. it needs to be it depends on upon an agreement that should must be achieved between the parties. one of our conditions this is not only the release of the hostages is also the future of gaza, and we cannot agree to hamas continuing to be the rulers of gaza because then gaza will continue to pose a threat against israel. but this still is israel s proposal. why can t netanyahu say right? he supports it well, i don t know what he said to secretary blinken today when they met. the fact that the fact that i wasn t instructed to speak out against the deal means that we accept the deal wouldn t it mean that you re supported. if you could come out and say you supported it. but i m i m saying here that we accept the deal. again, it s pretty much depends on the way it will be interpreted by the negotiators because hamas years let s say answer, you re saying we support it but you re not just saying unequivocally that israel does support it because the words are very important, because when it, when you say that, if the negotiations continues after six weeks, we need to continue with the ceasefire. so hamas can exploit this clause and continue with endless and me in, in glass negotiation, that means nothing. obviously that wasn t the meaning of president biden when he outlined his just to be clear, even if hamas comes out tomorrow and says yes, we accept this israel still wants to negotiate what it would actually look like to implement. all know, there s, if hamas accepts it and you listen carefully to what they said today. they said empty words, they welcome the resolution, but they still didn t say that they accept the deal. they know exactly what is the deal already? for sure they know the first phase, phase one, so they can say yes to phase one, we will see hopefully the release of the women, the elderly, the wounded. israel will hold its fire for six weeks and then there will be negotiations on moving to the second phase, which is the permanent ceasefire, but it depends on some conditions that needs to be negotiated. the resolution says that upon agreement between the two parties, the parties not only two parties there there will be other parties as well. we ll see what they what they say, ambassador gilad erdan, thank you for checking. ahead. rudy giuliani is latest mug shot after he just posted bail to de in arizona, but still spreading lies about the 2020 election. my next guest is worried about misinformation in this election, arizona s secretary of state will join us here with a new ai video that he created as a warning to voters the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president one stage two, very different vision genes for america s future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max have heart failure with unresolved symptoms it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr cme a rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your card pretty allergist and ask about attr cm, nine out of ten people don t get enough fiber. bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it s plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy benefit number is your fiber, your way? 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oh, my goodness. no. why not? i m very, very proud of it. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history joining me now, arizona s secretary of state, adrian fanta and secretary, it s great to have you just for context for everyone, you are precisely the recorder and maricopa county. you are on the front lines of the election in 2020. so obviously you have great experience with what, what actually happened in the 2020 election. i just wonder what your responses to hearing rudy giuliani he say that he has no regrets about the efforts to try to overturn the election. there. well, first thanks for having me on and second, i stopped taking rudy giuliani seriously after the borat tape and so i m not going to countenance any of his lies further than they need to. he s been indicted and he isn t and it s an until proven guilty. and that s really what the process is that we re fighting for. we think the rule of law should be applied to every person regardless of their station and that s really, i think where it ends and i know you can t talk about the specifics of the case, but the other thing that he said there that caught my ear was he said that there was a tremendous amount of evidence and that there was an abundant amount of evidence. i mean, you oversaw the counting of the ballots and maricopa county, was there a tremendous tremendous amount of evidence of voter fraud from what you saw? well, i m glad you pointed that out because the 2020 election actually was the election where i was running for reelection and unfortunately the voters had a different opinion than i had and i ran the election. that was my own loss. and we know that the elections are solid in arizona. they always have been the people that run them have run them with honor and integrity for a long time. i can t say the same for folks who have been proven wrong over and over and over again. in every actual inquiry that has occurred. and so we re going to let the process play its way out and let the chips fall where they may, for these folks who have been accused. as you look ahead to 2024, you did something recently that is really remarkable. what you created this ai generated video of yourself, it looks like you, it sounds like you. i just want our audience to see this video that just as a reminder, is actually not real this is an impersonation of arizona secretary of state adrian fontes using generative ai. the video was created as part of the arizona election security and ai tabletop exercise for the media our goal is to make sure folks understand the capabilities of current deepfake technology and the dangers it poses to the public i mean, it s unsettling to see that, to hear that, to look at you right now in real life and i just wonder the fact that that can be so easily done, how much it concerns you about what election workers, election officials like yourself are up against. well, this is one of the reasons why we started engaging ai experts and training our own elections officials in arizona last december during a tabletop exercise, we want to make sure that our folks are as well prepared as possible that these things are not new to them. if and when they get used in malicious ways against them, or our voters. that is really what this is about being prepared for possibilities. we do all kinds of other preparations in election administration if we ve got delivery trucks, we ve got backups. if we have electrical systems, we ve got backup generators deployed this is part and parcel of the new reality in election administration and it would have been irresponsible of me as the chief election officer and arizona not to prepare my folks. it s just like when i was in the marine corps, you use the tactics and the weapons of the enemy to prepare yourself for the impending battle, hoping that that battle never comes secretary of state, adrian font says, thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me. also tonight, we re tracking some vip stakes developments because one leading contender is revealing some of the questions that they are being asked by the trump team. including, have you ever committed a crime sirens are going off and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die. and i thought that was it fallen earth with the liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn her appointment and 30 minutes. okay one. remember, i don t want surgery from i do patreons contraction two, i don t want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three, i want to treatment with minimal downtime for i want to non-surgical treatment. goodbye. and five and if non non-surgical treatment is an auburn i ll get a second opinion let s go take charge of your treatment. if you can t lay your hand flat visit, find a hand specialist.com to get started that s rob. it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health central gives everybody a healthy foundations supporting your i m yours you did plus try centrum silver. now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will need to make room for a nursery. 26 people will go all this family. we ll get two bathrooms and finally, one vacation or we ll say yeah, i m going to live here that as a euphoria subsides, their realisation hits i can see the house don t worry, just sell and buy in one move when you start with open door. wow. oh yes start with an all cash offer at opendoor.com kevin bought the tape. i ll put it on my chase freedom unlimited car and i m a cashback on a few other things too dark with the sale system. all right. from deep step one more thing, the team hold it gets five minutes. gay cash, rows i like it. i ll break the clay back like a pro would chase freedom and limits. how do you catch? 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unclear to me, i still think it s remarkable less than the uncharted territory that we re in. you cannot work in the west wing. i could not have worked in the west wing if i d ever had a felony charge, yet, there s a very real chance we ll have a president overseeing the west wing who has 33 or 34 felony charges on him? yeah. that s a good point. i mean, what do you make of that question? have you ever lied, you know, kind of what this process is looking like for these potential confounders look, i go back to the voters. i think that voters actually care if there s this kind of history. and i think the criminal conviction that trump has had is going to matter. dad. i know there s some polling suggests otherwise right now, but i think it s going to matter in the end. so this actually is important because if, for example the process that they have says it doesn t matter if you ve lived are commit the crime. that s going to come back to hurt them if they say, oh, no, no, we must have a vice president who s never, ever committed a crime it kinda advertise is the problem with the top of the ticket. and i think one thing we can say for sure, top of the ticket dominates here in a way we ve rarely seen, vp is going to be so much marginalized compared to past races but this question kind of speaks volumes well and the question is also, does it affect the margins because that is going to be incredibly important in this election. and so when you, what i ve been talking to people and tell me what you ve heard as well. is that it seems like it s jd vance, doug burgum, and marco rubio who ve risen to the top of who s under consideration electorally speaking, who do you think would be the most beneficial to donald trump s ticket i haven t publicly stated any favorite. they come a strengths and weaknesses. i m sure if you come up with a list of seven or eight names they all bring their own positive electoral history and they have their positions on issues that might have more symmetry with a, an electorate. but that s ultimately up to the present to choose who he wants to be his running a bunch of races. you just read one here in new york. i mean, that is something that people take consideration. one for me, i think in 20241 of the best skills is going to be the ability to get into cities, to go talk to longtime democratic voters about issues that they care about. their are disenfranchised voters out there who aren t going to just come around and vote for your ticket? i ll be this saturday in detroit. i ll be speaking a few hours ahead of president trump. we saw president trump go into the south bronx. i found during my race for governor, as i was talking to asian voters and black motors and hispanic voters when you show up and you don t pander, you show up and actually talk to him about the quality of education in schools or crime, or mental health challenges, or homelessness and more on the issues there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. so ultimately if you haven t asked me what traits as far as getting out in campaigning and making a difference, i would say it s the interest, the willingness, the ability to get out, not just talk to republicans who may be already with you, but being able to win over the support of democrats, saying that you should be under consideration. you re going to say all right now i will nominate julie sure. that ll help my thoughts. the first to speak up for it has somewhat like good stuff in the cup the vp doesn t necessarily matter beyond what can you add that the top of the ticket doesn t donald trump need somebody who can be a monster fundraiser? he s lag joe biden. this cycle. he needs someone who can go and campaign independent of him. he is going to be tied up in courtrooms. he s gonna be busy who can go out turnout crowds, and reach voters who we maybe hasn t been able to. and then he wants most fiercely loyal to him. and this is the key thing. and you were somebody so you know this i know personally it s somebody who would not do what mike pence did on january 6. that s been a bit of aliveness test and some of these discussions, i think rubio and bergen make a lot but of sense i am kind of stunned though, that there s only really one woman and consideration and she s kinda considered the second tier considering that abortion is one of the top issues this cycle, trump s consistently been bleeding support with suburban women. and i think having a woman in contention would be a huge boom. i hear you, but i have to say, i think it s past that point for them yeah the first time in american history that a right has been taken away. the right to choice has been taken away by the supreme court. those people named by donald trump, having a woman as vp is not going to erase that. there s no way you can make that up. and i think the challenge here is none of these figures that are being talked about for vp are big enough. to really have an effect on the election. they re not going to win the swing voters over. i think this is a key thing. you just said, right? suburban women are going to determine this election right now, that s something that s gonna help joe biden in my opinion, and those swing states, who of these folks that donald trump is looking at for vp are possibly going to help to change that balance. i don t see any of them as decisive. trump has just two dominant and he has crossed the rubicon on issues related to women in such a profound way, vp is not going to say, do you believe any of those three names that could help with that? i mean, a marco rubio or any of those names that could potentially help with some of those voters are two seats. i think first the foremost, the most important trait we re talking about one quality a few minutes ago about winning an election november the most important trait is somebody who can fill the position of being president of united states and that really should be like the top three priorities of picking them. and there are talented people here. i mean, you mentioned doug burgum is a governor of a state and he was a wealthy the businessman and marco rubio is he s a good messenger and he speaks spanish and he can get out and communicate with a larger demographic. but if you go down the list, you jd jd vance, cia, he come comes on your show and you might ask him tough questions and he s ready for, and he ll give you tough answers and you re ready to go back to them and i think the audience likes to watch the back-and-forth there. there are talents by don t think anyone really is going to change the election as a vp of them are particularly presidential in my opinion, respectfully, and i can say democrats and republicans, i can say different or the same analysis for people in both parties these particular folks don t strike me as the person who s going to step in if they were ever called one dynamic though that i think i just want to finish. i just don t think it would be very interesting and valid. trump said, i m going to go for a really well-known, highly respected kind of crossover american figure, someone that people could see as their president. i don t think the people we re talking about here meet that standard. i just think that when you get to a vp debate and you get one shot right? there might be as few as one debates. one debate. and vice president kamala harris is onstage with that candidate, and you re talking about these issues related to the border or the economy, foreign policy and energy. and you re flushing qing out, not just your own positions as a candidate, but really the positions of your ticket and your party in a moment, there s someone there when mike pence arguably beat vice president commonly harrison. a debate in the next day, donald trump s stepped on the entire message at the end of the day donald trump s fatal flaw since he wanted 2016 is not being able to pivot to a general election. he s out there this week and talking about wind turbines and sharks and boats and sinking, not talking about issues voters, qarrah, always talking about rage and retribution. so you can have the best messenger out there. i think mike pence was arguably the best person he could have chosen navigated the trump dynamics in a way that wasn t better could i think i don t know that anyone s going to be able to bring him back to these independencies right? 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i think we are going to get a verdict tomorrow. i mean, it s not a complicated case. we only had four days worth of evidence. the jury certain lee knows what the issues are i don t think they have to spend more than tomorrow on this, but i think if they don t get a verdict tomorrow, you could be looking at a hung jury here because, like i said, the facts are not that complicated and the legal issues really aren t that complicated. and as we know, if it s a hung jury, they ll try to send them back in, like what we were speculating with the trump case as well. yeah. they would get an allen charge, which is a charge to tell them to continue to deliberate, but they ll also be cautioned not to give up their firmly held beliefs. so it s time for the sake of coming to a close. jurors light want to reach verdicts. they know they re supposed to reach a verdict, but sometimes they can and sometimes allen charge is working, sometimes they don t. i wonder what you thought because you re always we re always trying to get the minds of the jury. we don t know what they re actually thinking, but what do you think they took the prosecution s closing argument today not to pay attention to who is in the room. i mean, it was a pretty clear comment directed at the first lady jill. i mean to refer to people in the gallery are not evidence. i think that was the direct quote to refer to the first lady as people in the gallery. i think it could have been very off putting. you have to assume that the biden family and forget about what you think of joe biden, forget about what you think of hunter biden. i m sure jill biden enjoys a good reputation in the state of delaware. the rest of the biden family, it seemed like a little bit of a cheap shot. i think the prosecutors felt like they had to acknowledge what they perceived as the elephant in the room that you have the biden family there, but it wasn t inappropriate. they were all close family members, right? it s not like, you brought in political allies or people that you wouldn t normally expect, people you wouldn t have thanksgiving with? yeah. if you were the attorney representing hunter biden here, would you have sent the family million? oh, absolutely. i would have had the family that interestingly, i think i would have considered bringing the president there just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to