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Kelly would want to step in and her show is what it is. it's less of a news show, less of a serious show, that she would step in and seems like the knives were out for her today. some people were thinking -- like she was throwing gasoline on the fire of matt lauer. what are your thoughts there? >> wouldn't you be happy to see anderson cooper take over the job there? you guys would be happy about that. the answer is that you have to do as much damage control as you can and you just behead as many people that you think will bring attention elsewhere and give you time to scramble internally. so i...

Her show is what it is. it's less of a news show, less of a serious show, that she would step in and seems like the knives were out for her today. some people were thinking -- like she was throwing gasoline on the fire of matt lauer. what are your thoughts there? >> wouldn't you be happy to see anderson cooper take over the job there? you guys would be happy about that. the answer is that you have to do as much damage control as you can and you just behead as many people that you think will bring attention elsewhere and give you time to scramble internally. so if they cut off a couple people h...

You love to share recipes to other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. >> anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there's anything wrong with, like, you're essentially breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our ...

Other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. >> anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there's anything wrong with, like, you're essentially breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i g...

>> legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think is there's anything wrong with like -- you're essentially breaking into an information base? >> yes. >> i'm not doing anything. i'm going to go in, look around, see how things work and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that's okay? >> yes. >> it's in the service of knowledge? that's okay? >> okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky. i got into a very big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. >> you started in business at 21. >> in factory. >> q...