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federal court. the bottom line is, he is toast! there is nothing he can do -- [laughs] >> i was gonna say screwed. there is a consistency problem here. you can say many times, in public, on television, there was all kinds of things in those boxes. i don't know what was in those boxes. so it's very hard to get from -- at and have any idea what was in the boxes, to, i know they planted things. do you agree with that? >> i completely agree. judge dearie is a no nonsense judge. he's not going to take pr statements and say that that has any merit and his court. he is going to say as these...

>> well it's fascinating, joining, now jim ruttenberg writer at large for the new york times, and jonathan mueller, a staff writer for new york times magazine, our consulting produces firmer talks and part of influence, and the series interviews they're exclusive reporting, and happy to have them here. thanks so much, i appreciate it, jimmy to start with, you the largest media empire in history, give us some perspective of how big and powerful, and profitable of the murdoch family empire is. >> just look at what they have here in the united states the fox news channel, the fox broadcast networ...