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A very smart and you understand he's not writing an intellectual dissertation. this is not a thesis about the accurate way to describe isis. he's trying to delegit miez him and the king of jordan says please don't call them islamic. we don't call them islamic. the point is not that any of these leaders don't see that of course they are drawing on a version of islam, but they are trying to delegitimize it. do you disagree with that strategy? >> i think the strategy of let's not call it islamic because we're going to delegitimize them we've seen it in the u.s. in the muslim world, perhaps in thr...

>> let me understand. so you would rather the president of the united states say yes, the islamic state is islamic and draws on important strains and islam is a bad religion. you think that's going to be a successful strategy? >> i don't think i'll have our president say islam is a bad religion but i'll have the president acknowledge we're fighting and the drones and insure gets and counter der ererterrorism tactics will take you so far. i want the president to acre knowledge like we were at war that we have amazing ideas, what america stands for. he gave a great speech and that's what america...

Reformation, it has to come from within. someone born within islam and whether you like it or not or agree with me or not as a muslim. i can take these prosessions and propose these amendments. i'm not saying our western governments do the same but what the governments can do, what the west can do and the west is powerful and the west has choices but above all, the west has the values that made the west prosperous and peaceful. the west can choose our allyies and so far we alied ourself with the kingdom of saudi arabia. we've seen the results of that -- >> let me ask you something. >> -- we re...

More broadly, this group called the islamic state is a question of when and not if this group says hey, we have to challenge the country overseeing the two holey's states in the region. so i think that is coming. >> you also point out something which i think people have not focused enough on. iraq is really fragmenting into three separate countries. >> exactly. iraq is effectively breaking up. you have an iranian shia version and a sunni triable iraq. when do we give up the game? iran shia dominated iraq. the united states has to say we'll allow iranians to control southern and central iraq. t...

>> stay with this question though because i do agree with your diagnosis of the problem. i wonder though about the effectiveness of this idea of the west confronting the world of islam. do you think that the right strategies for the west you know an outside force, powerful. >> yeah. >> to say to the world of islam, you are all screwed up you need to fix yourself because in a sense, that's what many of the people who take the kind of views you do say and i wonder to myself look and you know this because you grew up in somalia. i was growing up in india. if you had an outside power like the unit...