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More broadly, this group called the islamic state is a question of when and not if this group says hey, we have to challenge the country overseeing the two holey's states in the region. so i think that is coming. >> you also point out something which i think people have not focused enough on. iraq is really fragmenting into three separate countries. >> exactly. iraq is effectively breaking up. you have an iranian shia version and a sunni triable iraq. when do we give up the game? iran shia dominated iraq. the united states has to say we'll allow iranians to control southern and central iraq. t...

Iraq is effectively breaking up. you have an iranian shia version and a kurdish iraq. now in the west you have a sunni tribal iraq. when do we give up the game? xwh when do we say all of this energy is over? that would be an iran shia-dominated iraq. the united states might have to essentially say we'll allow the iranians to control southern and central iraq. the kurds we'll support their independence and we'll try to work with the arabs in the west -- with the sunnis and that might be the only way to reduce their alienation so they're then in turn not attracted to supporting groups like the i...