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Of the vaccine. no, i think as we go forward, the world knows we can't shut down again. we can, but it's really something we want to avoid, and they're going to start blaming others for it so that's the answer. i do think customers are going to fight back and insist on certain things with plates they frequent whether it's hotels or dining places, and i do think the customer will have the power here. i think that's very right on. >> nick, you work for one of the companies that are requiring vaccines. "washington post" has done the same thing, "new york times," i think just fired people who were...

I think there is a little light for the biden administration to target those people and say, okay, it's time, let's move along now. >> dr. wen, to nick's point, i think the compassion for the chunk in the middle that's open to it, not the ones trading in what donny is talking about, just information on facebook. i think what people like myself didn't do a good job of talking about is how crummy you feel. i had the moderna. i missed my first day of work because i was sick when i had the second shot. i wonder if you can speak to where we go from here. you've been really, really sort of out front...

The unvccinated as the new sort of people who drink and drive or don't practice safe sex. i'm going to give you the break to think about that, donny, and come back to you. donny, nick and dr. wen are all staying with us. how major businesses are now stepping up to make sure it holds. it holds.

Can protect our most vulnerable. who are we when we fail in that critical responsibility? >> you know, nick, i miss dr. wen because she's so blunt, but this does seem to be the diagnosis that the white house has made of this country as well, that they're not sacrificing another school year, that the communities where the adults have become vaccinated are directly correlated to the communities where the schools will be safest. >> look, the fact that, as we have seen reported, the biden administration is considering withholding funding, for example, from institutions that don't do a vaccine mand...

Work, and as nick mentioned maybe we couldn't imagine a month ago we would be in this position where we have so much supply. a vaccine verification is the one single thing the biden administration can do right now. >> dr. leana wen, it is so nice to see you again. thank you for spending some time with us. of course, dr. wen is here on the occasion of the publication of her new book. it's called "lifelines." as she goes i'm going to read one expense of it. we depended on medicaid and food stamps when i was a child. living from paycheck to paycheck, we went through times when we were homeless. m...