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Stands today. in some ways, he is the most powerful never trump voice of all for the fact that he wasn't so clearly associated with that movement just associated with the notions of honor and decency and integrity he stood for in the political sphere even as a non-combatant so to speak. >> john heilemann and jonathan alter, thank you both very much for joining our discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. >> coming up, defendant trump went under oath today in a civil lawsuit. we'll be joined by ted butros, lawyer who will probably get his own chance to questi...

Something else, he was part of this movement, as a voice for dignity. and that was the ultimate kind of review can some ways, to trump, and to what the republican party has become. colin powell is a lifelong republican, he's like what republicans are made to be. and yet here he was, by the end, not just laboring over whether to back john mccain or barack obama but fully on board with a traditional democrat like joe biden. and seeing no place for himself in the republican party as it stands today. in some ways, he's the most powerful never trump voice of all. for the fact that he wasn't so clea...

Screw this up at any minute, the second largest non-combatant evacuation in american history. this is not dunkirk. this is a semipermissive noncombatant operation. we are taking out just about anybody who is there who can prove they are u.s. aligned or u.s. citizens. you know, we have to maintain something. there are 38 million afghans. we cannot take every one of them and there's going to have to be a tiered system to get them out. >> let's get into this a little bit more. right. you had boris johnson, you know, talking about the number one condition we're setting for the g7 as they have a gu...

Hindsight and look, but the idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, i don't know how that happens. >> do you agree with that? >> i think there's a distinction to be made here about the decision to withdraw. i think you're wright. i've been supportive of the ending of our combat mission in afghanistan. after 20 years it's proven there was no military solution here and i continue to agree with that. i do not think that the non-combatant or the civilian evacuation has gone well and according to plan. i'm still trying to figure out what exactly that plan was and t...

Past the nominees under investigation and view this as a partisan fight? >> i wrote about has in the paper today. extraordinary. tells how politics works today. you can't be a neutral actor, non-combatant in american politics. clinton folks acted gingerly when they heard the news. very respectful of fbi director comey. over the course of the weekend her tone changed. and by, you know, sunday, certainly by monday, they basically put comey in the cross hairs, because he has become somebody they can use now to arouse their base. everything in politics is now a sword or shield and they had to make...