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Is based on. what is in the ryan plan and what is left out of the ryan plan. >> so what is in the ryan plan at this point is a somewhat softer, from its initial version, way of moving medicare over to private insurance, or retain the option to be a normal medicare, but you pick from a bunch of private insurers too. >> that's the latest -- that's the thing that -- >> that is the new version. that is ryan 2.0. >> that he worked out with ron wyden. >> exactly. >> but that was never voted on or put into legislative language in any way. >> no, no, it is in the latest budget, in the second iteration...

>> and so, bruce, the ryan plan was not bring the budget into balance during mitt romney's lifetime, or what an act wactua would say his life expectancy is, yet still they say he's our greatest deficit hawk, our real fiscal conservative. what happens to fiscal conservatives on the republican side that they think it's okay to just do all of this kind of budget cutting, tax cutting, and forget about deficits? >> well, they become obsessed with cutting taxes. i would like to just add that paul ryan voted in favor of the medicare expansion in 2003, an unfunded, new entitlement program. he basicall...

Msnbc's steve kornacki and krystal ball. governor dean, a lot of democrats are saying, you know, this is the dream ticket. this is who they wanted on there. i actually don't think it's spin. as much as this is a time for spin, and you were going to get a spin reaction, no matter what in these situations, i don't think they're kidding. i think this is the ticket that the democrats want. >> well, you know, i think you have to be careful of talk like that, because it sounds like you're taking things for granted and you shouldn't. but ryan clearly is not going to help in florida. and it's true tha...

Policy things later, alex. right now i just want to enjoy the fair. >> our job is to strengthen and protect medicare. that's what we do. president obama, they're hopefully rationing medicare. >> mitt romney made a futile trip to florida today, after decisively losing that state on saturday by selecting medicare and social security's worst enemy as his running mate. the biggest problem romney had in florida today was, as expected, paul ryan. >> well, i can tell you what's radical and extreme is to spend $1 trillion more every year than you take in. i'm sure there were places that my budget is d...

Unfunded provision, the expansion of medicare prescription drugs. so he built this deficit, just as much as george w. bush did. >> and he voted for t.a.r.p. which i love to remind people, john boehner wept on the floor of the house, begging republicans to vote for. and he did vote for it. so, yeah, the guy did -- that he's a fiscal conservative is kind of ridiculous when you look at his voting record. but i think paul ryan, because he's a rich kid in part, is the triumph of ideology when you know that the consequences will never fall on you or yours. it's easy to say, people should just get us...