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Having another person there, note taker, if for no other reason, to carry out the decision. this is operating in a parallel yurps that makes it very difficult to know what happened. it is more than unusual. i think it is something very damaging to the way we do and should make policy. parallel universe. >> can i ask you about russia you talk about in the book. one of the great tragedies for dr. brzezinski, in then final years of his life geopolitically, what was happening in poland. you have the polish leadership, of course, showing more disrespect for the rule of law and independent judicial ...

Reportedly met with russia's president vladmir putin, according to the financial times. he was accompanied by millenial tru -- melania trump, his wife. the four of them sat at a table and were among the last to leave. the meeting has been characterized by aides as an informal conversation, andy. but what is -- what's the danger when you have the president of the united states meeting with the head of a country that's not a friendly ally, with no staff or no notetaker on hand. >> it's not unusual for a president to have private time with another leader around the world. it could have been a soc...

To correct me if i'm wrong. my understanding is there are brief sides and they tend to be staffed. this doesn't sound like that. >> it doesants sound like that at all. you might pass a leader in the hallway and say lelts have a quick tactical chat about something. and the french president, the british prime minister, you may not have an aid accompanies. when you chat with anned averse aerial relationship, you will typically have a note taker and a translator, your own not relying on the russian franz lartd, for instance. there was something interesting nart mention said and that's the sourcing...

Soon as this situation is resolved. but the leaders huddled for several minutes at the end of an evening event with no translator or notetaker from the u.s. side to record what was said. >> susan, here's another thing. why is it that the translator's never from the american side. if it is always to be one translator, always a translator for vladamir putin but never a translator for the american side? >> because president trump does not trust the intel community, he does not trust his own staff. this goes back to jared kushner wanted to back channel with the russians right after the russians an...

You, this is a tall order. but give me the 45-second version of what our viewers should worry about when they read reports that the president was after the notes of his conversations with putin. >> it makes no sense to me. i worked for president obama. i was oftentimes a note taker in those meetings. and you need those notes to tell everybody in the government what the policy is. and the fact that the president continues to hide what he says to putin suggests that that disconnect between trump and the trump administration on russia is real. and i'm worried about what has been promised in those...