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To trust them with that is no stretch at all. it is traditionally what is done. t struck tallbet was the note taker. he went in because he and hillary clinton were long-time friends. he took notes that clinton had with the russians and the notes would then be religiously shared with others and then they would go into a master file for a variety of reasons. so you can have a kpartive purposes. now if you don't know what your president is saying or thinking, you have no sense of continuity about how relationships develop and you don't know how the russians are trying to play him. that's what a l...

Article, it handicaps the u.s. government, the experts, advisers, and cabinet officers who are there to serve the president, and it certainly gives putin much more scope to manipulate trump. he also said, this defies historical standards and is outrageous. so sam, this really underscores what you had said earlier. >> it does. another aspect of this is we learn from "the new york times" reporting that part of the reason the president didn't want to bring a note taker into his meeting or didn't want to bring the national security adviser is because he felt like he could establish a rapport with ...

Sam, you first. what could be a reasonable explanation for the president's approach? why wouldn't he want documentation or the proper witnesses, if anything, to protect him? >> fred, the only explanation here is he has something to hide. every decision that the president made going into the meeting in helsinki and his failure to disclose what happened in previous meetings with president putin really lead us all to assume that there's something he doesn't want getting out. in the first instance, notes are taken during these meetings. i don't mean an interpreter. an interpreter is not a note tak...

And what john bolton then said was, well, according to president putin, president trump did bring up election interference. president putin is our source for what happened in that meeting? >> right, alisyn, it's mind-boggling that we're getting a readout of a two hour meeting between president trump and one of our main adversaries who his own intelligence community said directed an attack on our election and democracy. we're getting that readout from president putin. it's mind-boggling the director of national intelligence doesn't have a readout. in my experience when i was the homeland securi...

In russia. maybe staff up the campaign with people who are going to be favorable to russia. maybe start conversations about lifting sanctions. all of these behaviors, if you see them through the lens of paul manafort, are pay back to the russians. >> and, eugene, all those things happened. it really requires some extraordinary magical thinking to say like all these things are unrelated. everything jennifer just named happened. we know based on the white house's own read out of the first pull aside by the translator or note taker, donald trump was talking to vladimir putin on the side lines of ...