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America. steve: okay. so it's a bombshell. what do you make of the fact that the president didn't have any note takers when it came time to sit down with vladimir putin? >> >> i don't know why anyone is surprised by this either. the president's administration has been victimized by series of per neighbors leaks and some cases mike flynn criminal leaks and investigation into all of his dealings with russia. steve, if that was accompanied by a story about the president's, you know, passive behavior towards russia, basically accommodating russia, i would say all right, maybe there is something th...

With president trump. where was the story about president obama and all of his illicit dealings with iran? note taker? they didn't even acknowledge the meetings existed. forget about a note taker. again, it's just this -- brian: we never would have found out about the money if it wasn't for iranian television. the piles of cash. the president, you know, has not been critical of vladimir putin. almost said nothing. his actions, for example, he came down on western europe for being attached to his natural gas pipeline and called tha out angela merkel for doing it he took some of his langage and ...

That's separate from the interpreter. i think that's getting really mixed up in the coverage of this. the interpreter does not take notes to report out to anybody. they're incapable of doing that. their job is to try to make that conversation happen. i oftentimes was the note taker in those meetings and so president obama always had a note taker. he always had an interpreter and he usually had seenior staff the national security adviser and then we always read those meetings out, a, to the press, by the way. we always had a readout after the meeting with the press and then, b, we wrote up a fo...

Before he got up from the table he would take those notes, put his initials and hand it to the secretary of state or staff secretary and those notes from the meeting, anything i wrote down, even if it was a doodle, would become part of the file on that country and that leader. talk about the rest of the white house staff is flying blind without a record of what the president says to a foreign leader? >> right. i mean that's right, this isn't just unusual, this is highly abnormal bordering on unprecedented because you're right, i mean, all the presidents we have known in our lifetimes treat the...

Not about japan. we're talking about rush a tsia country that interfered in the 2016 election specifically to help elect donald trump. his interactions with the russian president are of greater interest and of greater significance in many ways than his interactions with the prime minister of japan or somebody from another country. >> michael mcfall, you've been in a position to need such information as might be generated in one of these conversations when you served as the ambassador to russia. is this a normal way to handle such conversations the way greg's reported it? >> no. it's extremely ...