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It's an investigation that donald trump as president could have kept his hands off of. he didn't have to tweet about it, didn't have to talk about it, didn't have to engage in obstruction of notice. he could have allowed this investigation to take its course. and he chose not to. and this is a mistake very similar to the mistake richard nixon made in connection with watergate. but it's -- i have to say a lot more psychologically deranged when you look at the tweets and the statements and the obsession with hilary. you wonder what's going on there. the attempt to deflect the anger that the amer...

Former cobureau chief for the "washington post." both gentlemen, we're happy to say, are nbc analysts. ambassador, you first, people want to know how a phone call could last 60 to 90 minutes. talk about the mechanics of this. you've been there for these. set the scene. i assume you have the principles, you have the president, probably a navy comes person, note taker, probably state department or nsc types in a perfect world and you've got simultaneous translation, which is time consuming in and of itself. do you also have people holding up realtime notes to prompt the president what to say nex...

Could last 60 to 90 minutes. talk about the mechanics of this. you've been there for these. set the scene. i assume you have the principles, you have the president, probably a navy comms person, note taker, probably state department or nsc types in a perfect world and you've got simultaneous translation, which is time consuming in and of itself. do you also have people holding up realtime notes to prompt the president what to say next? >> well, brian, i've got to confess, i don't know how this president does these phone calls. i did work at the white house for three years with president obama....

Say, are nbc analysts. ambassador, you first, people want to know how a phone call could last 60 to 90 minutes. talk about the mechanics of this. you've been there for these. set the scene. i assume you have the principles, you have the president, probably a navy comms person, note taker, probably state department or nsc types in a perfect world and you've got simultaneous translation, which is time consuming in and of itself. do you also have people holding up realtime notes to prompt the president what to say next? >> well, brian, i've got to confess, i don't know how this president does the...

He's going to keep searching until he finds someone to devour. if it's not about russian collusion, then what's it about? and you can go forever and find something wrong, and i think this is a kind of witch-hunt in search of a witch and i think it's a disservice to the country. >> you've been in the white house where there was an ongoing investigation that went from one thing to another. >> yeah, and it's not fun. the problem with spicer being a note taker is not his problem. he's got time to review them. it's every single's problem. the hell about going through these things, about being inter...