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6th. and i think, lastly, it's really important to remember that it's not just cassidy hutchinson that has mentioned pat cipollone as a fly on the wall in these conversations. it's people like rich donoghue, jared kushner, as we discussed yesterday, people who said he was there for important moments. jared kushner called him a wimp for threatening to resign and threatening that the white house counsel's office would resign if trump did certain things, and rich donoghue also described him as, really, one of the only firewalls actually in the west wing to the former president's actions. >> you k...

Exoneration of the president's role, but he's pointing again to the leaving out of the peacefully heading to the capitol, no exoneration but the lack of any alternative perspective or questioning on the committee in that room. nonetheless, martha, we are learning a whole lot more, and the memory and the details around the basic framework we had, she was also known to be a very good note taker, so clearly she's providing a lot of detail for the committee and for the country today. >> martha: absolutely. i'm not sure it shocks anybody that the president, knowing what we have seen, observing him ...

Who do you run that by? you bring that in with the person that was right there in that meeting. she took notes. mark meadows did not like to take notes. that's why he wanted her in on all the meetings. he was a texter. she was a note taker, remember when richard donoghue had the contemporaneous notes. declare it corrupt, leave it to me and the republican congressmen. cassidy hutchinson has notes from all of these meetings, whether it's about fake electors, pressuring pence, what meadows told her about trump on january 6. every time they get new information, they go back to the woman who saw it...

All the time. revelations that while the siege was ongoing he accused pence of causing it by not overturning the will of the people. i am just thinking the other sort of trump-era investigations. you don't necessarily need jeffrey clark to sit down if you have the acting attorney general at the time, mr. rosen, who is cooperating with the senate judiciary committee, and the 1/6 committee, it's note taker. talk getting the whole eastman story without eastman, should he choose not to comply. >> theeseman story is about a eastman memo a plan. when we discovered this document we discovered this wa...

That we have not drawn with putin many a while. and we have a encourage emerging fronts in which those lines have to be drawn. >> hopefully there'll be a note taker. >> you never know. apparently, the precedent was set for no note taker. another thing i realized being here in washington, elizabeth, i guess i have to brush the back of my hair now. >> what's that? >> it was so easy, just that one shot. >> you want to tell them who texted you -- >> kasie is like, comb your head? >> it's all right. this is how it's going to look and i don't care. >> and wear long pants. >> i'm fine with messy hair...