Ugly this is going to get. we are still a year and a half out, and desantis hasn't even entered the race yet, and this is what we're seeing. >> all right, kristen, thank you very much. i mean, it was pretty amazing, i will say, that moment. i mean, i wouldn't know about how many times you get the hush money and porn star in there, and then defending. >> right. >> it was politically that would be walking the high beam. >> the virtue signaling. that's a great line. listen, that's -- i think that is one of the things that would scare donald trump, the fact that, number one, ron desantis as a gove...