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>> i don't know if it's a litmus test but it's a test of whether or not they have courage. a nuance position on everything as serious as white supremacist and white supremacist terrorism is the wrong tact, and i think joe biden should decide whether or not he's set on helping farmers in the midwest rather than speaking to people of color who are set in these policies. and in 2016, part of the reason why hillary clinton is not president is because people of color did not turn out the same way they did in 2002 and 2008. we also need an active allyship from white people who are horrified by this ...

That's why i'll be vindicated. >> he's done so many great things for civil rights. on this issue, i'm wondering if this is does he really want to standby what he is saying? should he be the one saying what you said and moving on instead of trying to clarify. some nuance position that most people don't understand. i'm not quite sure i understand it. >> i'll tell you this, i i could get into that, but i will say there was an argument on both sides black and white academic and not. and activists. who still have a debate about bussing and it's effect on the the african american community. what i d...

Because of that that is really what it gets down to. why senator cruz agreed to vote yes on this he got a commitment from the president to reform the national emergency act that provides a hundred different situation and specifically that allow you to declare an emergency and that is too much and what he said we need to reform this. >> but have other clients who did the opposite? >> i did. in the case of senator lee he believes that the national emergency act in and of itself is not constitutional. like i said it's a nuance position and you get down to -- you get down to -- to cases going back...

Colleagues have said, maybe you don't understand the history. please talk us to and they have reached the end of their rope saying we keep saying let's try to work things out and you keep saying things that are hurtful. >> and also stop tweeting. if you have a nuance position on the issue of the influence of, you know, whatever, lobbying israel and lobbying in congress, don't tweet 280 characters about it because it can easily be taken out of context if that's what you're saying and the frustration among some democrats is that even if you have a point on some of this stuff, the way that she ha...

Pair medicare for all. that said, she's going to be for anything, including bills she sponsored in the senate or cosponsored that get you closer to it. it's a nuance position that candidly in my opinion she didn't really take with jake during that town hall. so i think they are clarifying it. i don't think this is a flip flop, but it does show that in a town hall public setting you've got to be very careful when you say let's eliminate all of it, people are going to draw some conclusions about what that means. >> all right. thank you both very much. so there's this polar plunge that has left...