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Progressives who have been arguing that voting rights is essential to our democracy and you have to sort of show us some movement on voting rights, i think you should take that as an opportunity, okay, here i am, here we go, all hands on deck, we're going to move heaven and earth to try to get this thing passed. >> i want to ask you about a comment that jim clyburn made to mehdi hasan on his streaming show. let me play it here because i'm curious about the message it's sending and what do you make of it? here it is. >> if we do not pass these bills, i don't see how we can have unfettered elect...

I can't think of something that's more unconscionable and more un-american and we've got to undo it in the united states senate. >> we are hearing about a group of lawmakers -- bipartisan -- who are looking at the idea of reforming the 1887 electoral count act, the law that lays out the process by which electoral congress votes are certified by congress. do you support reform to that act? and what would you say to those who argue that is maybe all that can be done? >> i do support reform of the electoral count act. but i don't think it should substitute for voting rights legislation. we have t...

Act? and what would you say to those who argue that is maybe all that can be done? >> i do support reform of the electoral count act. but i don't think it should substitute for voting rights legislation. we have two challenges right now that we're confronting to our democracy. you have got a voter suppression epidemic that we have to crush. and then, you also have nullification efforts that are underway by state legislative bodies where they effectively are trying to set up the opportunity to steal elections. what's ironic here, anderson, is that republicans -- many of them, not all of them bu...

To hell with washington. nullify it. >> yeah, it's amazing that we sometimes seem to still be fighting the civil war, still be fighting and slogging through the civil rights era. if you look at the states, many of them that are involved in these kind of nullification efforts not just around guns, but also around obama care, you know, it's the southern states and of course the rural states up there into the high plains. and stuff too. it is extraordinary. and it's as if there is a certain segment of the population here, the political body who simply says federal government doesn't work. we'll h...