i can't think of something that's more unconscionable and more un-american and we've got to undo it in the united states senate. >> we are hearing about a group of lawmakers -- bipartisan -- who are looking at the idea of reforming the 1887 electoral count act, the law that lays out the process by which electoral congress votes are certified by congress. do you support reform to that act? and what would you say to those who argue that is maybe all that can be done? >> i do support reform of the electoral count act. but i don't think it should substitute for voting rights legislation. we have two challenges right now that we're confronting to our democracy. you have got a voter suppression epidemic that we have to crush. and then, you also have nullification efforts that are underway by state legislative bodies where they effectively are trying to set up the opportunity to steal elections. what's ironic here, anderson, is that republicans -- many of them, not all of them but many of them -- want to make it