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The electorate is here, behind the choices that jason just suggested they might be? >> barack obama won this election by very effectively making this a referendum about his opponent, mitt romney. so if you went out and you asked most americans, do you think barack obama did a great job in his first term? do you want significantly higher taxes? do you want the government to do nothing about spending? are you happy with obamacare? most would say no, but in the end the choice was between a president who said things aren't great, but i'm still going to try to make them better and a guy he painted ...

The economy. >> paul: taxes are going up, we know that, spending, going up for sure even before the health care law kicks in. so, we are moving in that direction, particularly in the entitlement state. not reforming it, but actually expanding it. >> aen what happened this year was the supreme court helping this along, you have the justices essentially rewrite legislation changing the plain text that congress passed in order to declare obamacare constitutional, which is a little scary, that that highest justices in the land would take that sort of activist role and you mentioned france, dan, th...

Recognition, things that transform the way we live our lives no matter, even if the economy keeps growing at 1% or 2%, one big question, is that growth and innovation going to happen here in the united states or more of it overseas in places like china? >> yeah, well, take this robotic device i just-- this is a medical device and under the obamacare law, medical devices will be subject to a tax because they have to pay for obamacare. >> paul: yes. >> this is the sort of thing, if we keep doing will suppress the growth of technology in this country and then again, there's the issue of immigrati...

Is 2013 going to turn the corner like ben bernanke and others are saying? >> i never like to bet against the american economy and there are so many spirits. and we haven't had a real recovery in four years. you get the feeling that the economy is ready to pop, but the countervailing argument everything washington is doing expansion. and i entirely agree with your previous conversation that energy and technology are just drivers of high powered growth, but the countervailing force i think follows the higher tax rates coming in 2013 and some of the regulations and obamacare are holding back busi...

The electorate is here, behind the choices that jason just suggested they might be? >> barack obama won this election by very effectively making this a referendum about his opponent, mitt romney. so if you went out and you asked most americans, do you think barack obama did a great job in his first term? do you want significantly higher taxes? do you want the government to do nothing about spending? are you happy with obamacare? most would say no, but in the end the choice was between a president who said things aren't great, but i'm still going to try to make them better and a guy he painted ...