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Supporters are also pleased that at times mueller's testimony was shaky. >> early on. part of it -- and the question was could he not hear the questions, at the beginning, the pacing of the questions. is he -- he's 74 and hasn't been in this chair for a long time. there is a lot of conversations or was he just reluctant or a combination of all of those things. >> or just nervous. like the super bowl -- >> because of the -- >> you work with him, what do you think? >> my sense is it is nervous. it is nerve-wracking to go in front of congress and i've done it a bunch of times but not in this sett...

Effectively. i think in politics as we all know, timing is everything. if this mueller hearing had happened sooner -- >> three months ago. >> three months ago, say, i think it might have been more effective for democrats. >> one of the things i come away from this, if this wasn't the president, right, would he be in more trouble? and you heard the president a couple of days ago talk about how he could do anything under article two. he can do whatever he wants. we know he ran out of the clock on answering questions and negotiated for about a year. did not sit down for an interview. we know obvi...

To those people who are in that committee there. that something has to be done or else. >> i want to point out that they got into the weeds on a lot of issues, the republicans and democrats, did you hear from a political standpoint a bombshell emerging during these seven hours? >> i think the answer to the question is, how do you look at this? we're hearing from kaitlan collins at the white house, the president is happy today. i think he's happy today, because you do not have that viral movie trailer moment of robert mueller looking into a camera and saying something in 15 or 20 seconds that t...

It was we found insufficient evidence of the president's culpability. the president could have said clearly there's nothing there. he didn't. that's as far -- consistent with the report. by it shows you -- but it shows you he didn't dismiss that in the way he dismissed the claim of his obstruction. listen, i think it could be unfair to look at mueller's performance there and say that somehow he's not on top of things. i mean, you had -- you have a 400 page report here, members citing page citations and mueller -- when there are particular citations -- well, let me look at the report on the key...

Powers has no duty to report that to the fbi or other authorities? >> i hope. >> i hope this is not the new normal. but i fear it is. >> would in fact have the ability without fear of legal repercussion to meet with foreign entities, before an american election? >> i'm sorry, what is the question. >> is that an apprehension you share with me? >> yes. and that there would be no repercussions whatsoever to russia if they did this again as you stated earlier, they're doing it now, is that correct? >> you're absolutely right. >> do you have any advice to this congress together as to what we should...