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He said he choses his language particularly. how is it barr and mueller seem to have seen this obstruction question so differently? >> i think you have to look at it through the lens of why attorney general bill barr was picked for that job. we do know he auditioned for the job. he sent an 18-plus memorandum to donald trump saying how a sitting president can't be indicted, this is a witch hunt, so he won the job that was coveted, he got the job. beyond that, what did robert mueller say? we want him to testify to konl, offer more enlightenment. he's not going to want to do that because he said ...

A sitting president but this did not stop him from gathering evidence that could be used for further action. >> under longstanding department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he's in office. that is unconstitutional. even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view that so is prohibited. the special counsel's office is part of the department of justice. by regulation, it will bound by that department policy. charging the president with a crime is therefore not an option we could consider. >> this appears to set up a conflict with what we heard f...

Have the authority to refer to congress. he did tell us that's what he was doing. he said that's the next obvious step. there are other bodies that can judge this, not me as special counsel. he didn't directly say it. he didn't say it in a way that we'd play in a loop on cable television or twitter saying the house must investigate. i think that's actually helpful to president trump. >> he's not robert de niro playing him. he's not to tough, brooding power figure. he came off as a civil servant today. the guy doing the limit of his authority, but not exceeding it. >> he's very small c conserva...

You're investigating me we aren't going to move forward. >> sandra: the mueller investigation played out. >> mueller pushed the rest to congress. the obstruction question is still an open question. he pushed it to congress. >> well, a couple of things here. you mentioned the bill clinton impeachment years. alexandria ocasio-cortez, who is sucking up a lot of oxygen in the room in the democratic party she was eight or nine years old when that was going on. >> bill clinton wasn't the vocal defender of himself. president trump has become the vocal defender of himself, true. but at the same time i...

To try to move forward on some of the things that actually affect the lives of voters. it's hard to give attention to it when there is so much else going on, when you see these investigations coming to a head with the oversight committee be and the intelligence committee and the judiciary committee and then the courts. but she is fighting the good fight on that. >> what's interesting is this is the argument congressional republicans are making, too, which is that these questions have been settled by robert mueller. the obstruction question is still open but they're saying politically let's pus...