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And this obstruction statute is very broad. you don't actually have to obstruct justice. you just have to endeavor to influence or impede an investigation. and the president certainly did that. >> i have something else i want to ask you about. this is regarding "the new york times," which as you know obtained the e-mails from k.t. mcfarland, writing to a colleague about the obama sanctions against russia for the election meddling. how crucial is k.t. mcfarland going be in this investigation at this point? has your committee reached out to her? >> i think she is also in trouble, and what's fasc...

-- he has the ability to get any resources he wants so far has 17 prosecutors, which is more than as far as i know devoted to any other case that i am aware of and they are all digging, some of them couple of them are from people participated in enron investigation which is a case where the obstruction statute pushed beyond proper bounds every case that went to trial in that investigation was reversed completely or in part there are people who have a particular bent on who maybe running this, that is not helpful. >> this is just extraordinary, judge great to get your insights as always thanks ...

Out. so there he was last night discrediting the press. >> so john, cnn is reporting the screaming phone call the president had with republican leader mitch mcconnell focused on why mcconnell wasn't protecting trump from the russian investigation. is he putting himself in danger of more obstruction charges? >> he certainly is. there is an obstruction statute that deals with interference with a congressional investigation. while we have a lot of leeway in legislative areas between congress and lobbyists, when you get in the investigative area there are some strictures and some controls. and if ...

No evidence of that, that's not working, so now they resorted to the 20 for the amendment and they're also talking about impeachment of the president's tweets. impeachment is a high crimes and misdemeanors and tweets don't suffice. >> jon: she didn't call for the president to resign. he should just leave office voluntarily. a little chance that's going to happen. the impeachment thing isn't going anywhere. >> she cites obstruction of justice. if you look at the obstruction statute, it requires a lie, threat, or a bribe. not even james comey alleges that, so it's an applicable. >> jon: let's ab...

You can fbi director for a daerkd. there were several other times he reached out to him ultimately putting the arm on him about mike flynn and threatening him in public with in effect a witness tampering evidence saying i'm calling you out for being a liar when in fact it was the president who was coming forward with misstatements. yes i think there are critical elements of the obstruction statute in play here. >> michael crowley, i want you to -- i want your thoughts on the same question. but i also want to ask you back to abbey's piece about how this altered the way everything happens in was...