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>> correct. >> the crime of obstruction of justice has three elements, true? >> true. >> first element is an obstructive act, correct? >> correct. >> obstructive act could include taking an action that would delay or interfere with an ongoing investigation as set forth in volume 2, page 87 and 88 of your report, true? >> i'm sorry, could you again repeat the question. >> obstructive act could include taking an action that would delay or interfere with an ongoing investigation. >> that's true. >> your investigation found evidence that president trump took steps to terminate the special counsel,...

And 88 of volume 2 where the attempt to remove the special counsel would qualify as an obstructive act if it obstructs the grand jury proceedings that flow from the proceedings q. >> yes. >> and the president in connection with an official proceeding, true? >> true. >> does the special counsel's criminal investigation into the potential wrong doing of donald trump constitute an official proceeding? >> and that's an area which i cannot get into. >> okay. president trump tweeted on june 16, 2017, quote, i am being investigated for firing the fbi director by the man who told me to fire the fbi di...

Investigation constitute obstructive act? >> in my view, anyone else in america engaged in these actions, would have been charged with witness tampering. >> all right, a lot of obsession in that room today. kennedy, start us off here. >> kennedy: we see split hearings with big moments like this. democrats tried to throw robert mueller various lifelines what struck emotion was when they were talking about his record and there was confusion about that, but democrats also, you know, were trying to sort of lead him into parts of the report that were damming for the president and even with that and...

To say he did not have the special counsel be removed, and did you have the president write a false memo and did you find the white house counsel refused to do that because it was not true. what he seems to want to do is ask yes or no questions. did you find potentially the person committed this crime. which seems like that would be smart because that seems like democrats could find potentially useful. do you think that's the way democrats should go, sort of yes or no questions with mueller? >> i would absolutely go that way. we know that by the book bob is going to stick with his report. and ...

I think that that will be powerful. i don't think people will lose the point that this is someone who believes in the country, in the rule of law, and in public service. >> let me go through some of what they're going to focus on because it's been a little while since we -- and we've spent a lot of time on this. but let's go through some of what democrats plan to explore with robert mueller. first, just reminding people what the law is that he broke. this is a description of the law around obstruction, why it's a crime to obstruct in any investigation. the attempt to remove the special counsel...