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Their committee in the public. >> and they're being stonewalled, not responding to testify at all. laura, the former u.s. attorney joyce vance also testified. i want to get your reaction to this exchange with sheila jackson lee where she reads in the mueller rart about the call trump made directing mcgahn to fire mueller. watch this. >> mcgahn recalled the president saying mueller has to go. and call me back. when you do it, mcgahn understood the president to be saying that the special counsel had to be removed by rosenstein. what do you believe or what is your reaction to this exchange, and w...

Ideal, but they are working aggressively behind the scenes to try to figure out how to get some of those key people before their committee in the public. >> and they're being stonewalled, not responding to testify at all. laura, the former u.s. attorney joyce vance also testified. i want to get your reaction to this exchange with sheila jackson lee where she reads in the mueller rart about the call trump made directing mcgahn to fire mueller. watch this. >> mcgahn recalled the president saying mueller has to go. and call me back. when you do it, mcgahn understood the president to be saying tha...

Effort to go ahead and have the special counsel fired. there's a nexus to an investigation. at this point the president is aware that the investigation is ongoing. and there appears to be a corrupt motive as well curtailing the special counsel's investigation. this entire series of conversations and conduct is deeply troubling. >> laura, all the elements to successfully charge obstruction and that's just one of the episodes mueller lays out in his report. >> she's right on all front seat and frankly this highlights again whatnot only mueller said in his written report but also in his press con...

Commit a crime were attorney client privilege conversations or just -- they couldn't -- they couldn't prove intent. the fact that you couldn't prove that he intended to obstructs justice doesn't mean it's not an obstructive act. that's one of the things that mueller made a note of in the report when citing in particular thing. and then also finally the last -- i know i'm rambling a bit. they dangle a pardon. and again, the president's pardon power is absolute. but i don't think the framers when granting the president clemency power intended for the president of the united states to be pardonin...

Trace the president's intent to it partly because many of the communications between the president and dowd that could have established the president's intent that he intended to commit a crime, attorney/client conversations, right? or they couldn't -- neal said they couldn't prove intent. the fact that you couldn't -- the fact that you couldn't prove that he intended to obstruct justice doesn't mean it's not an obstructive act. that's one of the things that mueller made a note of in the report, you know, when citing this particular thing. and then also, finally, the last point, i know i'm ram...