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jeremy deller, welcome to this cultural life. thank you. you were brought up in dulwich in south london. what are your earliest cultural memories of home? home... well, church, actually. there's culture in church. yeah. there's a human culture, there's people, and then there's music and there's visuals and smells and so on. so, the church, maybe early on as a child, is something i remember. i remember seeing help, the beatles film, very early on. i remember telling my mother i'd just discovered these four men who live in the same house as each other, which was very much like the hous...

Or often you feel, like, misunderstood, and you want to get into the dark side of life, not that you know anything about it particularly. and so bacon, for me, wasjust, he kind of spoke to me. ijust thought, "this is just amazing that someone does this." and also, he was very articulate. when did you first see his paintings? i can't remember. i must have been about 13, 14. i can't remember the first time. and then you read what he's written about himself and the interviews, and you see him in interviews. he's incredibly charismatic. you didn't go to art school, did you? no, thank god. i would ...