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good to be with you, i'm katy tur in for the second hour of "chris jansing reports." the jury has the e. jean carroll defamation case. how much will they find donald trump owes carroll for continuing to attack her, and continue to go deny what a court of law has already established that he sexually assaulted her. msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin just stepped out of the courtroom for the first time today to let us know what it was like inside. so, lisa, tell us. >> reporter: i listened to both sides' closing arguments and then the rebuttal of e. jean carroll's lawyers this morning, and...

Putin's words means the action on the ground. this is the point that a lot of ukrainians, myself included, are trying to make. do not trust putin. until you see it with your own very eyes, until you see there's no more russian soldiers in ukraine, there's no point in believing a single word he says about retreat or, you know, concentrating on eastern ukraine or whatever. for us, he's just regrouping. regrouping to make more attacks, making up a fight on kyiv or the city he wanted to attack on the firsthand. at the same time, it still is ukraine. it is still our ukrainian people under attack so...

Ultimately he's a conference or the. he's representing russia. i'm representing the united states, so in a sense we are competitors, not a question of friend or enemy, he's not my enemy and hopefully some day maybe he'll be a friend. paul: president trump thursday calling russian president vladimir putin a competitor, not an enemy ahead of their summit monday in helsinki. the president promise to go raise several contentious issues with putin including russian intervention in syria and ukraine as well as arm's control and u.s. election meddling. back with dan henninger, mary kissel and bill mc...

>> let's hope he doesn't. he has ambassador talking to putin on a regular basis. paul, we have to acknowledge that putin is not a strategic competitor, he is an enemy. you have britain fingering russia for use of nerve agent on british oil. you have two countries, australia and netherlands blaming russia for downing airliner over ukraine. they killed almost 300 people. paul: all true and yet are you saying the president should not be going to this summit? >> i don't think the president should go to the summit at all. anything that we need to do vis-a-vis russia does not require socializing wit...

Acknowledged but that would be really ebb -- endorsing, international criminality to take this. i think the signal to putin would be a terrible one there and it would be bad for ukraine. >> be terrible that he can invade another country like you said georgia and mold -- maldova as well. >> what does trump want out of putin of ukraine? what does a deal mean? >> for trump unfortunately it might mean defacto recognition that that was an obama mistake -- paul: crimea was. >> let's have come kind of agreement like on eastern ukraine which is another legal invasion by putin and get, i don't know, u....