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A sideshow, he's never said it's troubling. >> i know you got your points down. i want to ask you one last time, in all fairness, congressman. do you know if the president had anything to do with susan rice's performance on "meet the press" that sunday? anything? do you know anything you can tell me about that? >> he -- he appointed her and he certainly has done nothing since to correct the fiction and to say there's a problem in my administration that someone would go on national tv and tell a fiction. >> i understand everything you're saying, by the way, except the fact you're bringing the p...

Is the issue of how the talking points were changed a political sideshow? u.s. congressman michael turner is on the oversight and government reform committee which held last week's hears on benghazi. congressman, thanks for coming on. what is your view of this whole thing? >> thank you, chris. >> do you think the president has been dishonest? he's saying basically his integrity has been challenged. let's go to the issue of the talking points. do you think he was involved in cleaning them up, changing focus on them, covering up in some way to get re-elected in what do you think his role was? le...

>> did the irs in 2004 say we're going after them -- >> yep, the letter that was sent to the -- >> it was just as wrong then. >> julian bond's statements about george w. bush in his opposition to the war, that was in the irs letter that went to the naacp. >> okay. thank you, joy. i think everybody understands what you said. jenny, as well. people at home are going to make a judgment about this. two wrongs don't make a wrong. thank you very much, jenny beth. joy, as always. i agree with you, mostly. up next -- of course you're right. especially about the naacp. up next, turns out there are a ...

Talking points, frankly throughout this process has been a sideshow. the e-mails that you allude to were provided by us to congressional committees. suddenly three days ago, this gets spun up as if there's something new to the story. there's no there-there. and the fact that this keeps on getting churned out, frankly, has a lot to do with political motivations. we've had folks who have challenged hillary clinton's integrity, susan rice's integrity, mike mullen and tom pickering's integrity. it's a given that mine gets challenged by these same folks. they've used it for fund-raising. >> was the...

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