President obama -- should those who backed obama care be able to force companies like hobby lobby for example, into paying for abortions. that too could be risky if a woman wants an abortion and she can't get one? >> well, if there is an opt out provision that allows them to continue -- but see, i have a problem. they can opt out, i have a problem with corporations who accept the benefits of being a corporation, but then turn around and say, no, no, i'm an individual. corporations don't have religious beliefs. >> they do. and i think the court ruled against you on that. >> i don't think -- i k...