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Administrator plus jared kushner's e-mails. is there an overall optics problem, joe? >> this is a bad week and obviously the optics are bad but what really matters is not just what tom price did was really not very smart, for somebody that's been in congress and understands the importance of being fiscally responsible but what really matters is the response to puerto rico. you got people that are in jeopardy, people who are dying there and so it's so important that the response to puerto rico be strong and don't even worry about optics. just get it done. people are dying, just get it done. >> ...

Much because there was no power. it's not race, if that's what we're driving at. >> no. seems as if he's not connected to it. he doesn't feel as connected to it. acted more connected to florida and texas. >> i mean, talk about an optics problem. there are problems in puerto rico as we speak. they will are problems tonight, problems tomorrow, problems sunday. the president is golfing this weekend. that's an optics problem, i think. it if you want to communicate we hear reports fromgovernor of pu. it's a dire situation that needs the full attention of the american government, and just feels like...

Obstruction to buy the fbi director. the president can fire anybody but i do think that paul manifort and michael flynn in real exposure. not on things that currently connected with the campaign. paul manifort has to do with his work on behalf of the ukrainians and russian influencers. and michael flynn has levels of having taken money from foreign governments. so paul manifort is quickly in the crosshairs. >> i don't think there's anything to flip on. donald trump jr. has a problem. i do not think it gets him into legal difficulties that he has an optics problem with saying that took the meet...

John, is this decision to send this to congress, the trump administration realizing they have an optics problem when it comes to the dreamers? >> well, they do of an optics problem. no doubt about that. >> no question. >> at the same time they have a legal problem. daca is unconstitutional, even by president obama's own admission. they have to clean it up. it is properly within the purview of congress to make this right. basically codifyca da legislatively. then it's fine. then we move on. >> leland: capri, is it in the democrats' best interest, forget the right thing to do, congress doesn't a...

Their children, their husbands. it is not an optics problem. i actually think they should include women in the discussion. >> i think you have made the ultimate point, marie. government is so incompetent, they need to absolutely get out of the way. particularly when it comes to health care, because the more bureaucracy you add to it, the more you water down. the well intended purpose, so the government needs to extricate itself from the process. >> women are majority of the country. women would be well served. >> amen, judge. paul -- lovely they can count on you in their corner. >> there are a...