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Kind of a conspiracy to go after donald trump, i think you're ignoring what we see in the kind of post-obama american democracy, and that is that the american people can elect whoever they want as president. but if that president goes against the whims of the elite in washington, d.c., they're going to do everything they can to destroy him. that's what digenova believes. that's what i believe. >> john dowd believes that too by the way. john dowd believes the same thing joe digenova believes. the difference is this is a media strategy. john dowd has always said go dark on the media. the media i...

If they don't have all parties. then they give avanetti an argument. they figured it out. they know what they have to do. you have to have all parties in there and they're going to argue it doesn't matter if he signed the agreement anyway because it's an adopted admission by his lawyer. >> what do you -- the rest of the panel, make of michael's argument that -- or question of why is the president so silent on this? >> i think it's a good question. i mean we have a president who tweets about everything. maybe there is documentary evidence as you say that he doesn't want. i also think quite fran...

More people out there defending him. >> sure. jay sekulow, one of his attorneys, has been out there. but he's also trying to do this case. so it's difficult. i think digenova will be part of the legal team and not just part -- i'm told not just part of -- >> pundit team. >> you know, a spokesman team. i think it has not been well received by john dowd, the way this was rolled out. you know, the president did it in a sort of a way that's trumpian, and dowd has been the major communicator with bob mueller. and i think this is going to cause a difficulty internally. and so you have dowd, who says...

Putin, i.e. building the hotel in moscow, he doesn't have much more to grasp at at that point. so i think that's a big change. i would also posit, i don't know the democrats are going to give trump the gift of trying to impeach him right away. i think the smart thing for democrats to do is subpoena, which nobody has done -- subpoena his taxes, subpoena his administration. bring those guys in every day and ask them the hard questions. >> you say it would be a gift? why? because it's -- >> because it gives the president the opportunity -- who, by the way, will be running for re-election, to say ...

Mr. president, and it's going to wipe out you and your corrupt organization all the way down to the studs. you really believe that? >> yeah, i do. and i actually probably should have put an "s" after storm. there are storms gathering. i think the best outcome for the american people is if a check is put on this presidency this midterm and that he is impeached at the ballot box in 2020. but by his own actions, he's inviting obstruction of justice charges both in the criminal courts and also, i believe, to the house judiciary committee. >> the fact that the president's team has hired a lawyer wh...