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Reject and repudiate votes if arizona, georgia and pennsylvania and a handful of other states. >> so the timing that jamie raskin said that, it was really only that outer ring under scrutiny, since that interview they've charged seditious conspiracy and that is under scrutiny, but i wonder if you think that luke's reporting suggests that perhaps they're also examining that inner most ring now. >> they have to. nicolle, that part, almost a year ago, on this program, i remember we were talking about the member of congress from new jersey, i believe who said that she believed that she saw fellow ...

They shouldn't stand up and vote in their own name ts. but conduct the vote in secret. a lot of americans believed that had it been a secret ballot the conviction of trump wouldn't have just been assured. it might have been unanimous. raskin proposed that senators should sit alphabetically. rather than by party. to break senators apart from partisan bonds. at least a little bit. in the physical sense. so they could more easily vote their conscience. to convict or acquit. we learn that he's come to see the attack on january 6 as three coinciding rings. ts first ring the outer ring the rioters w...

State delegations. you were actively trying to in key races get democrats elected to try to ward against the contingent election. but, again, hindsight being 20/20 in your book, this is part two of how i've been looking at this. flee rings of the coup. talk about each ring. >> right. it's a mistake to talk about january 6th as just one thing. they were three rings. the outer ring was the mass demonstration of tens of thousands of people called by donald trump through social media to participate in a wild protest. that mass demonstration became a riot which ended up injuring 150 cops, people wh...