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victim of political persecution. this is an attack on the fabric of our system. his opponents say no one is above the law. this is about accountability. how strong is the case against him? there really is a question about whether this is a valid prosecution. should he be invoking his right to remain silent and in the race for president, his would be 2024 rivals are forced to defend the man they want to defeat. the unprecedented indictment of a former president of the united states is an outrage. welcome to inside politics sunday. i'm abby . phillip. thank you for joining us real esta...

Trump wins in court? and he wins the election. let's discuss all of this with our great political panel. cnn's david chalian laura baron lopez of the pbs news hour sarah long well of the bulwark and cnn's jeff zeleny and jeff what's striking to me? it's not that they're defending him. obviously i think that we would expect, especially those individuals to defend him. but it's the tone of it, uh, dialing up the outrage meter as high as they can possibly get it, which seems to me to be right out of trump's playbook. producing outraged about something that now is in the hands of the legal sphere ...

And now that's barr. so there were things outside the justice department that barr wanted to see or have access to that he may have been impeded. and that is why he has these new authorities. that is sort of our best guess at this point because there's no other, you know, explanation i guess. >> there is no other explanation, joyce. there is no other explanation than what has been articulated in the last ten minutes. this is a political power grab. this is so outside the norms of law enforcement and intelligence. and i think one of the most alarming things is that the only people jumping up an...

This moment and this development? >> you know, i do think that this is shocking. and the problem is that this whole administration is so sh k shocking sometimes the outrage meter it's hard for the public to read where we are. but i think we're off the scale today. i sat on the doj side of the table a time or two when i wanted to use evidence in a criminal prosecution. there we're talking about a case that everyone was certain there was a criminal violation we wanted to talk to, aside from this, that you pointed out was a scavenger hunt, to see if they request find cases. but in those cases pro...

Of him. he's the president. i think it also grows, the question of why people don't feel loyal to donald trump in many respects, loyalty starts at the top. so we've seen people, once they are out of his or ridge, they turn on him. this is something you often see in washington. >> bret: guy, the outrage meter is always at 11 in washington. it seems like every day is another thing. heads explode. whether they should or shouldn't, we leave it to the viewers at home but god, what do you think of the political impact here potentially as we head towards midterms on both of these stories. >> i tend t...