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Kidnap for ransom. abu sayyaf had taken american hostages before. some were released eventually, but some were beheaded. heiko was frantic, had no idea what to do where to turn. that very day, the cavalry came running in. >> my boss from work called, come on over to work, the fbi is here for you. >> what was it like to hear the fbi was actually paying attention to this? >> it is really real now. this is a real thing. >> we never know how families are going to react, obviously. but almost in every case, they are in a state of crisis. >> mark thundercloud was a leader of a special fbi hostage ne...

Combined to make it worse for them. >> eric brings up an interesting point about the films in this situation and filmmakers, if you will. vulture put it this way, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? related question, if a film gets an award and no one is around to watch it, does it matter? do you think this is a problem unique to the golden globes and their troubled past or is the importance of ceremonies generally speaking slipping away, that you don't necessarily need these awards to become a successful movie? >> right. the only reason to watc...

Back better. one, is any of this going to work? and, two, a question i often ask myself f oprah can't do it, who can? >> i mean, oprah can't hurt, i guess, right? look, i think the question with manchin is this. the democrats, you know, have to come up with something that manchin can take back to his own voters in west virginia and sell to them, or at least feel good about selling to them. i don't know that oprah is it, right? does that mean some sort of trade? can he bring over a republican or two and say, hey, we did a compromise, he wanted to push me to the extremes and i'm coming back with...

Capitol hill, and at 1:00 p.m. ted cruz, senator ted cruz and gosar, a representative started the green bay sweep beautifully challenging the results of arizona. here's the most important thing i can tell you about this. the thing that we were trying to deal with was a media which refused to acknowledge any kind of possible fraud or irregulari irregularities. >> right, well, let's get into it -- peter, i've given you some time here, and i think you've explained that, and i'm going to follow up here, and i want us to have a back and forth, but that involves both of us. you just described away -...

Of focus. not just from the white house but the entire democratic party. >> that's not a theoretical conversation. that's under way already. there are people in place already in some of the states who can, if it weren't for a brad raffensperger, as long as we're talking about the state of georgia, republican. if it were a different person there, they could have, quote, found the 11,000 votes donald trump wanted him to find. we were a few single people away in a few states from having the election overturned, from having an election that was -- obviously, joe biden won -- but flipped by republi...