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We're back. you've seen this letter from elijah cummings to the department of homeland security and secretary kevin mca lean than complaining that they're refusing to allow members from the house oversight committee to engage in the second round of visits to several detention facilities. in the first round he's documented what's seen as extremely troubling conditions. what do you make of this? >> i make of it that the administration doesn't want congress, a, to perform its over sight function, which is a part of congress's oversight function, and they don't want people to see what presumably w...

Name." jessica, i -- >> jessica: [whispering] do they know he was confirmed? i'm wildly aware. >> melissa: was upside to doing that? >> jessica: the argument chairman nadler has made is that they haven't given all the documents they asked for during the confirmation. i think they could impeach him, but i'm not sure that's what the game plan is. >> kennedy: what is the game plan? with the end game? >> jessica: even though i read that outtro like that, i'm not a member of the committee pre[laughter] i think they are performing their oversight function. brett kavanaugh a neil gorsuch to a lesser ...

President accountable is whether future presidents can be held accountable. if this president can show that congress' oversight function is a paper tiger it means that any future president can be as corrupt as they want and presid corrupt as they want and know they can't be held to account. >> chairman adam schiff, thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, trump inspired terrorism. that's what one expert calls the massacre in el paso. that expert, professor david shanser. he will join us next. he will joins unext ng ] what about him? let's do it. [ sniffing ] ...

Witness testimony that was summarized in that report and the documents that were summarized. that's exactly what we're trying to obtain. if we liken this to a criminal proceeding, i'd like to bring these witnesses before the grand jury and hear what they have to say directly, not rely on the fbi 302 summary of what they had to say. but if we're deprived of that, if the administration games it out and deprives us of the ability to do that then we may have to think about whether the obstruction itself is an offense, an impeachable offense. but what is really at stake here at the end of the day i...

Documents and the court, so i think they're just using the obstruction measure to pursue a legal case. >> so how do they respond to this case without a formal impeachment inquiry? what do they consider in this petition? >> i think kurt is generally right. i agree with him. you don't need a formal impeachment inquiry open in the house. congress has an important oversight function. in fact, in order to open an impeachment proceeding, it's completely legitimate for them to inquire as to whether or not an impeachment proceeding is warranted. and so when i talk about that spectrum, i think either a...