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Donald trump jr. being willing to get dirty secrets from the russians on hillary clinton, isn't that evidence enough? and, laura, neither of these things, because we're talking about the senate intelligence committee, get at all to what's going on in the mueller investigation. >> that's true. remember the congressional oversight role is really a peril leg parallel investigation. it's not to supplement or contribute to mueller. however, they can rely as their congressional oversight function, they can look at evidence that's out there in the public record, including public filings, including fo...

Conversation about your friend, bruce ore, so understand where this is going. >> this is going to be a long day for everybody. it's not going to turn out well. i testified in the house and the senate. i've testified before numerous committees including this one, the house judiciary committees. you get all sorts of questions. you some are good and thoughtful. some are incomprehensible. what you always do is treat the members with can respect. they have an oversight function. it's their time. their questions. they get to ask what they want to ask. it does pain me that the acting attorney general...

Committee has a legitimate oversight function to perform. these are serious questions that deserve answers. this acting attorney general isn't going to give them. >> and the other thing, joyce and elliott, that i was noticing, certainly in jim jordan's questioning and some of the other questioning, jim jordan from the freedom caucus, the conservative republican, just going after him to try to get him to impeach the reliability or the integrity, really, of rod rosenstein, who has been one of their frequent targets, who is overseeing the mueller probe. joyce, if you want to comment on that first...

You look at polls, a large majority of the american public have believed since the campaign that trump should release his tax returns and the public has a right to know what's in them. i'm not a lawyer. there is a legal question about whether those returns could be leaked or whether someone could be prosecuted for leaking them if they were received by congress. so i agree with anne that it's two separate issues whether they get the documents and whether we ever get to see them. but politically, this has been almost an obsession of trump's opponents for a really long time because there are so m...

Committees and now they are really starting the work that they have planned to do. >> yeah. understood. listen, it is a lot to keep track of. ann, let's zero in on the president's taxes. by political tradition this should have been settled years ago, before the president was even elected. legally, what is your best understanding of the law here? is it on the democrats' side here and, if so, the president can challenge this in court, i imagine, and drag this out. >> right. that's right. so the first thing, congress does have an oversight function. this is about accountability. let's put the pre...