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years ago. so, unlike kay, he couldn't work much. lived on disability. but he liked to hang out with his dad. >> we lived less than a mile apart because we did enjoy spending so much time together. if i ever needed needed help, he would be there in a minute to help me. >> although, said roger's wife pam, it wasn't always easy. that's just the way kay was wired. >> roger's dad was a very strong willed person. it was his way or the highway. >> so, roger learned early to shy away from confrontation with his father. not at all how it was with his new love, darnella. when she was around they said, keys tough hide melted. >> we knew that he really loved her and that he was willing to compromise and do some things so that he could make her happy over. >> did it seem to kind of soften him up a little bit? >> yes, it did.

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to be okay, then everything is gone. >> kay caught off guard? not kay, thought dara. impossible. but that seemed to be just what happened. at least, that's what roger and pam told the police and later us. and a very strange story it was. that began, they said, when pam received a pie at work as a gift. >> we knew how much he loved that pecan pie and she decided after work to take him the pie. >> so they went to his house intending to drop off the pie and then leave. but when they got there, they said, there was an unfamiliar car in the driveway. pam said she knocked on the door and a young man answered. >> i said is kay here? he said yes he is, he's here top drop off a pie. i said we were just here to drop off of a pie. and they said, go right in. i got to about the landing when i was asked to come back down, i heard the door shut. and when i turned around,

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that's when i saw the gun. >> what was it like to see that? >> it was a shock. as soon as we turned around and saw the gun, another guy started walking down the stairs, he had in his hand award of sikh ties. they turn to us and said, your here at the wrong place, wrong time, pull out your hands. >> the intruders zip tied the wrist, force them down on the living room forward. then zip down their ankles. >> while we were down they said, we're sorry, you've seen our faces, will have to kill you now. >> pam, quaking of terror, she said, looked at a picture of jesus hanging on the living room wall. >> i kept thinking, heavenly father if you really love me and care for me, please make us get through this. and it calmed me to keep looking at that picture of christ and to be able to help

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tell you a story you need to relate to the police. >> but was that story that the instructed to him to say? the three black men with ski masks, three, not two as they actually were. and black, not white as they actually were. and then, said roger, they took his drivers license and said they would know if they ever told the truth and then they would hunt them down and kill them. then the two men left. roger and pam waited a while, got off the zip ties, and roger ran upstairs while pam dialed one 9-1-1. she was on the phone with the operator when roger found his father upstairs in the bathroom. >> and i saw my father kneeling over the bathtub. his feet were tied, his head was down in the bathtub. >> inconceivable. tough, brazilian, i'm to the teeth, murdered with his own kitchen knife?

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when he met kay's son roger, and roger's wife. pam roger had found the body was already suggesting possible killers. >> he told me he had appointment for lunch at noon with a guy named mike kit, discussing $25,000 worth of guns. >> mike kit? mike was kay's former student. >> roger and pam identified him real quick, saying he's involved. he owes my dad money. he's the one that did this. >> roger told detectives that kay was holding a connection of mics weapons. about 30 of them, mostly pistols and rifles. and some shotguns. kay put the guns in his bunker. roger thought there might be a grudge involved. when detectives went to look for the guns they were gone. >> so we pile in michael cape and we interview him and we can get his alibi as quick. >> nothing suspicious about it turned out. mike had not nothing to do with

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firearms and how close to hundred valuable guns locked up at his house. yet, the thieves just stole the cheaper ones from the bunker. >> pretty bizarre robbery to take those guns and not take the far more valuable collection. >> agreed. >> in fact, the inside of kay's was pristine, untouched. no sign anybody had stolen anything. if this was a home invasion, it was an odd one. but by then, truth be told, detectives were already honing in on the two people who admitted they were there the whole time. kay's sun roger and his wife pam. >> you sure that he's dead? >> starting with that 9-1-1 call they made. something odd about it. >> it didn't sound how i would think that a phone call should be made to 9-1-1 right after discovering your father had just been killed with of throat cut and sit tight bound up. >> roger and pound, said the detectives, appear to be an emotional.

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>> roger and pam took a polygraph tests. and what do you know, roger was found to be deceptive. and pam was jumpy. the operator couldn't complete the task. but still roger and panned swore up-and-down brought they had nothing to do with it. they were victims himself. truth be told, the police needed some real evidence. when out of the blue, something arrived. >> investigators are confronted with new evidence and strange does not begin to describe it. someone saw the killing in a dream. coming up -- >> i have a photo lineup drawn up. and she puts her finger on it, she puts it right on roger's face. >> when dateline continues.

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staring down. she puts it right on roger's face. >> the next day, detectives took county to kay's house, showed her the crime scene, and again she named roger. >> i can see roger, his arms, he's holding k. >> you don't hear a story and say, wow, that's a piece of crap and go on from there? >> no, now when she gives that amount of detail. >> the story was hardening by the minute. now the tests actives kept the rest of the family and forms of developments. >> what did you think? >> it threw me for a loop. >> when pam and roger attended case funeral, the tension was stick. >> it was very difficult to be there there because everyone wanted to know what happened that night. >> but they couldn't say anything, said pam. detectives told him not to. >> my sister came up to me and said, tell me what really happened? and i said, i'm sorry, i cannot

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to them. even if i thought roger had done it, i would not have abandoned him. >> and they did it? >> absolutely, not only did they abandon, they crucified him. >> months went by and roger and pam were headline news in utah. but the absence of physical evidence meant they remain free. day-by-day, they went about their business, as though their lives were still quite normal. then, on july 28th, 2010, utah county prosecutor tim taylor took a dramatic step to break the logjam. he presented the case against roger and ban to a grand jury. >> so why call the grand jury? why not just charge them? >> we thought the grand jury was a great tool to force them to come in to talk. >> it was a secret proceeding. no defendants, no defense attorney. only prosecutors, police, some members of the mortensen family,

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