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Have recourse, the government can't appeal an acquittal because of the double jeopardy clause in the constitution. nonetheless, they're persisting and the evidence is coming in, it's very strong to demonstrate the tax counts as well as the bank fraud. >> one thing i've heard you say since the trial was under way, really at the time the indictments were unsealed, is that this is a paper case, so much damning evidence was included in what we already have seen. what is the importance of the bookkeeper's testimony to understanding the alleged corruption with which manafort went about hiding money ...

Fueled not by rage, but by panic because more and more facts are coming out. you know, mueller has been very tightly sealed and we haven't heard a lot. but recently more is coming out through cohen and through the manafort trial, et cetera. and i think it's throwing trump into a panic. >> i think you're donald trump, you're sitting around hearing all this in the manafort case, a paper case. the guy has so much on paper that the case is very strong. you're trump, you're starting to realize even if you don't have the conversation, that the special counsel already has so much information that you...

Presumably reporters who would report back this statement. if you think about it they very well may not decide to call in rick gates. the case is coming in very well. it's primarily a paper case, which if you're a prosecutor is a dream. paper doesn't lie or forget or admit to biases. if you can prove your case, you may not need a live witness who can go sideways in a lot of ways. sounds like they're playing it in a lot of ways and may end up not calling rick gates if they don't need to and presents potential risks. >> a good trial lit gator has no ego or attachment, just wants to win. have the...

Whether or not a message has been sent back. we've heard about back channels the administration likes to have. we don't know if there's a pardon deal on the table or if that's been mentioned. at this point, i feel like he keeps his mouth shut and moves forward. this is a paper case. it will be easy to prove. i expect he's going to be convicted of it, and at the end of the day, he's looking at a long time in jail if, in fact, trump doesn't come in and give him a pardon? . >> are you insinuating there's fear about -- you said he was moving money for the russians? >> well, shehe's charged with my...

Been sent back. we've heard about back channels the administration likes to have. we don't know if there's a pardon deal on the table or if that's been mentioned. at this point, i feel like he keeps his mouth shut and moves forward. this is a paper case. it will be easy to prove. i expect he's going to be convicted of it, and at the end of the day, he's looking at a long time in jail if, in fact, trump doesn't come in and give him a pardon? . >> are you insinuating there's fear about -- you said he was moving money for the russians? >> well, he's charged with money laundering. we know he's had...