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Thing that thing that i as a journalist would look for, the absolute nut -- i'm not going to do the perry mason thing because you never get a perry mason -- >> perry mason para docks. >> there you go. the question is why didn't mueller indict him. was it because the president didn't commit a crime? or because there was the jurisdiction, the office of legal counsel guidelines from the justice department saying, you can't indict a sitting president? that would be the one question i would want to have clarity on. and the problem is that he's probably just going to say what's exactly in the report...

Mark, former new orleans mayor and president and ceo of the national urban league which produced the report and with us is my colleague joy reid, host of a.m. joy, weekend mornings here on msnbc. i often join joy on her show to discuss economic issues. so, i'm glad that you're able to join us to have this one. mark, let me start with you. >> thank you. >> in 2018, while we have to look at the legacy issues african americans face that affect earnings and life expectancy and all that, if we don't confront the major issue, we are tech reliant and prosperity relies on technology, we may not solve ...