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Upon him, he has to be pristine from this point forward with regard to all the data and information he gives. if he makes a bald face lie, and we don't know if that's true yet, substantially compromises the rest of his testimony especially in my mind, most importantly, when he said there was a phone call that went on that i listened to with roger stone speaking with the president about julian assange and the email dumps that were come f that can't be substantiated and we find out that cohen lied again, then i think pretty much substantially undermines the value of his testimony. >> when you're...

Joint defense agreement. they had common cause, right? here is michael cohen at the hearing last week there which he discussed the pardon issue. take a listen. >> i have never asked for nor would i accept a pardon from president trump. it appears his lawyer had those conversations. perhaps michael himself did not have them. you can bet it is something we'll dig into. it is trying to fig yaur oure o pattern. it is a way to keep michael cohen toeing the line lying to congress and investigators.

See for crimes like this, they're arguing that the actual math that comes out is disproportionate. ellis had some concerns, he expressed previously, that the whole prosecution was more geared towards the president than for manafort. so i think they could make shop ground their. i think for manafort's team, if they get that down to ten years or single digits, that's a big win for them. the problem, though, is for manafort, himself, at his age, any sentencing is problematic. >> lawmakers saw the filing as a quote phishing for a pardon. they noted the terminology in the oval office, so forth, do ...

What the president does with respect to federal crimes. >> jill, did you have -- was there any talk about this back during the nixon days? i wonder if this is a strategy that has been worked out before or war gamed before? >> we never talked about what state crimes might have been committed by the president, or any of his other colleagues. we never worried much about that. we did, obviously, run into the pardon issue, because as soon as he was resigned, we felt, okay, if you didn't think we could indict a sitting president, we certainly can indict a non-sitting president, a former president. b...

Sanders was pressed whether the president will consider pardoning stone. leather listen how she answered. >> has the president ruled out a pardon for roger stone? >> i'm not aware of that. haven't had any conversations on that. >> can you guarantee he won't pardon roger stones? >> i can't answer that. no particulars. >> reporters were thinking they will get an answer for that should think again. >> what do we want from sarah sanders. how can she guarantee the president will do everything. >> the pardon issue with stone is this one the white house wants to face everyday for the next year as sto...