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That's supper a risk such a ris. the other issue is the pardon issue, right? is he in communications with people in the trump administration hoping to kind of lay this ground work that at the end of the day what he really wants is a pardon? those are the two big things. we know what was revealed in the documents. what we don't know and what is probably even worse for the white house in the long run is what was redacted, right? the purpose of the memos is to charge both of these guys. it doesn't go into the things that they're keeping under wraps, and to me what they were saying when they were ...

Also continue to lie to mueller's team. it's have your cake and eat it, too. it's also goints the debate on the pardon issue. howie: the president spoke to the "new york post." he was asked about this about reporters. president trump: the question was asked by the "new york post." i said i'm not offering any pardons. they said would you? i said up not taking anything off the table. howie: the media is saying he's obstructing justice by even talking about this. jessica: president trump has been very nice to paul manafort in public.

Also continue to lie to mueller's team. it's have your cake and eat it, too. it's also goints the debate on the pardon issue. howie: the president spoke to the "new york post." he was asked about this about reporters. president trump: the question was asked by the "new york post." i said i'm not offering any pardons. they said would you? i said up not taking anything off the table. howie: the media is saying he's obstructing justice by even talking about this. jessica: president trump has been very nice to paul manafort in public.

Willie. it's really hard to know where to start in this statement. because there is so much going on, all of it bad for us as a country. on that pardon issue, you know, every prosecutor hears the president say that and your spidey senses all come into focus because it sounds like the president is dangling a pardon to paul manafort and at this point in time where manafort is signed up on team usa, that's really pretty close to witness tampering. let me back up a little bit and say it's not enough in and of itself. we really would have to look at an entire course of conduct. because, of course t...

Terrible. but i had three people, manafort, corsi, i don't know corsi, but they refuse to say what he demanded. it's actually very brave, the president said, of the trio and i'm telling you, this is mccarthyism. we are in the mccarthy era. this is no better than mccarthy, says the president of the united states talking about the special counsel's investigation. joyce, let's pick through that a little bit and start with you on the president floating the idea of a pardon when he was asked. he said it's not off the table. that has to be music to paul manafort's ears who is now without his coopera...