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>> so is this the best of a.i.? >> i mean, i was just before in the green room, i mean, i asked about what he thought about donald trump. he was forward in saying that criticizing biden's doj as well as saying he would offer trump a pardon. i then followed up and then asked his stance on ukraine and financial support for ukraine. once again hi averted telling me about a pardon process about donald trump. i asked about his stance on immigration, i went to the border but didn't mention daca once. not exactly getting clarity from answers here. >> if this is the worst thing that happens because of...

Conviction? i'm of the theory i've shared with you before, there is not a trial until after the republican primary is likely decided, which would be arguably march 19th coming out of florida. we'll have a good idea if it's donald trump, ron desantis, or somebody else. if donald trump indeed has secured the nomination, that makes the question in front of the nation next summer going into the fall one of enormous gravity and of great consequence. do we elevate donald trump or not. >> you know, claire, everyone speaking out of both sides of their mouth on the right, to david's point, republican p...

Clear. if you have the authority to declassify, you are not acquitted to any bureaucratic process. >> could you tell by the way? >> it exactly like the -- >> hoodie? tell >> me finish the thought so your viewers understand where i'm going. if you have a pardon, it might be something where you go through the pardon attorney or the attorney general makes a recommendation. the bureaucratic process. that is not the constitutional part of it. you have the authority as president to do it. so if somebody walks in and says part injections, and he was treated horribly by racists, you can pardon him wit...

You the authority as the president to do it. so if somebody walks in and says pardon jack johnson, he was treated horribly by racists, you can pardon him without the application process. same thing goes with declassification. you don't have to go through a process. >> i'm not disputing that. but like with the pardon process you would need to tell someone in the bureaucracy that you've done it. >> right. >> so who did he tell? >> we are not trying our case leak by leak. >> so let me ask you this. you signed a letter to congress saying that was all just the result of a rushed pack job. you said ...

$2 million. is there any recording about that? >> there's not a recording about that though we know of. we expected it will be corroborated in other ways. >> how else could that be co are corroborated? >> the complaint alleges that somebody else was present during those discussions, and in part, we would like to talk to him about those conversations. >> did you catch the name? you remember parnas, his associate that participated in the pressure campaign in ukraine. also campaign finance charges not directly connected to that scheme. 20 months and prison. he was one of the unlucky ones. on his ...