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They are now exposed. on 245 occasions, former fbi director james comey told house investigators he didn't know, didn't recall or couldn't remember things when asked. opened investigations on four americans, not two, didn't know who signed off and didn't know christopher steele. all lies. the president is focused on comey today, less so on those new court documents that directly implicate the president in this illegal scheme to buy the silence of these women who claim to have had affairs with him in the lead-up to the election. you asked about adam schiff. here's what adam schiff, the top demo...

Of his livelihood was something he simply couldn't agree to. >> and, john, on the pardon question, rudy giuliani telling "wall street journal," asked if the president would pardon manafort or corsi, giuliani said, quote, right now would not be the time. it seems the time would be the day after the reelection in which president trump either wins or loses, and at that moment he can pardon manafort. manafort is going to have to do, you know, the next 24 months, but that's a small price for manafort to pay. that's less time than he would have gotten in the plea agreement. >> he is now used to the ...

Case is at the same time really condemning himself. he looks like someone who just really likes publicity, who can't stand to be out of the limelight. and i think maybe we get a little bit of a hint about what's going on in some of this paperwork where we learn that prosecutors, for instance, expected him to surrender his securities license as a condition of pleading guilty. perhaps he wasn't willing to go quite that far. it was a really good deal, no jail time. but maybe he felt like the loss of his livelihood was something he simply couldn't agree to. >> and, john, on the pardon question, ru...

Questions about certain things. we know those people reported it to mueller. so that's probably what we're talking about. but i think there's more to this. i think that manafort likely was sent signals about a pardon. i think that he might have reached out to other witnesses and tried to influence them and talked about pardons. and i think that mueller is going to be asking that pardon question. and that goes right back to the obstruction of justice case. >> ashley parker, let me bring you in on the white house response. rudy giuliani had the probably not so fun duty of responding to the manaf...

It's very difficult. it's very hard to say. you have to whole pardon question. the manafort question. it can only go downhill from here and the longer he waits, the worse it's going to be. >> martin london, thank you so much. your experience and insight is much valued here. appreciate your time. still ahead for all of you on "a.m. joy," chris matthews and andrea mitchell share their thoughts on the passing of john mccain. cancer ... it's very personal.