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Duty of civility not just to other lawyers but civilians as well. >> let's talk about the sort of pardoning power. den ni d d d 'souza. >> conservative commentary. >> and rod blagojevich. what do you make? >> when you look at the common theme. joe arpaio and these three. what is the theme that emerges and what is that saying to. >> could this be a signal to those of you out there, manafort, flynn, others who have been vconvicted or considering taking a deal that hey, pardons are abundant to you. hey, the pardon power in itself

Me, we're going to show you what pardons are all about real soon. and this is a fellow who talked to the president on a regular basis. i don't know if he necessarily knew what he was talking about, but i suspect he did, and what he was saying was basically we're going to have like a saturday night massacre when there is going to be several pardons in one day. i think manafort knows it, i think michael cohen knows it, i think others know it, i think robert mueller probably knows it and it's an obstruction of justice case. the president can issue pardons per the constitution. it's unlimited powe...

David urban and carrie sellers. just from a legal standpoint, the president's power to pardon is pretty absolute. >> it is. executive power for the president, a pardon is one of the fundamental exec ty powers -- executive powers that he has. we don't even know what michael cohen might be charged with. >> if he's charged at all. we should point out he hasn't been charged -- >> nobody has charged him yet, so there is a little bit of anticipation of going towards the pardon power. >> the only limit, and correct me if i'm wrong here, on a president's pardoning power is if it's done in order to buy...

Ever happen. i would refer you to personal attorneys to comment on anything specific regarding that case, but we don't have anything at this point. >> we do, however. joining us are kirsten powers, david urban and carrie sellers. just from a legal standpoint, the president's power to pardon is pretty absolute. >> it is. executive power for the president, a pardon is one of the fundamental exec ty powers th -- executive powers that he has. we don't even know what michael cohen might be charged with. >> if he's charged at all. we should point out he hasn't been charged -- >> nobody has charged h...

You're an ultimate loyalist, at the end of the day, the president will be ultimately loyal to you and by the way, there's a pardon power out here? >> and well, that's another option, but only if it's on a federal level. right? because if it remains on a state level, the president doesn't really have that kind of pardoning power. right, kendall? >> can't pardon state crimes. it's complicated. it's not sure what the state crimes might be. that remains an exposure. it's intriguing timing that he pardoned scooter libby just after the offices of cohen were raided by the fbi. >> right. without any k...