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Think you will see more of this in large part because jared kushner, i disagree with him on 99 things, but prisons are not one. jared kushner is proving to be an advocate inside that building and i think that's a positive thing. >> how do you decide then, if you don't go through a process? i guess that's part of the pardoning powers. >> i would recommend a process. don, listen, i've been doing this as you know 25 years. i think a process would serve the president belttter, serve t public better. thank you, appreciate it. van jones is going to sit down with the woman behind this pardon. it pr...

I never bet against van, but i don't know that i'm that optimistic about prison reform. i know i'm not optimistic about sentencing reform, the things eric holder put into place and loretta lynch put into place, those things are not going to be followed through. so the real systemic challenge to the incarceration of people. especially people of color. is not being changed here. >> van, go ahead. >> i think that you are right on the sentencing question. but i think on prison reform i think you will see more of this in large part because jared kushner, i disagree with him on 99 things, but prison...

And maybe holder says he's concerned with the president's recent pardons. in regards to that. "the new york times" wrote by choosing to pardon the political sporters whose cases largely failed to meet the basic guidelines for pardons, mr. trump could turn a slow and imperfect system into an unequal and unjust one. in which those with fame money or access to the president's ear are first in line to receive clemency. is there anything, mimi, that that committee or anyone else in congress can do to limit exactly what the president can use his pardoning powers for? >> not now, in other words the p...

President trump clearly doing something that is unexpected but, brianna, should we ever -- >> there's something interesting here. a, this is the fifth time the president has used his pardoning powers. you see the end of the tweet where the president says he was treated unfairly by our government. one of the lead usa attorneys on the case was preet ba rara. >> well, listen, he also thinks for the fact is he also is when he makes these pardons, he said the same thing about joe arpaio. and -- >> but the president and preet have no love between those two. >> of course. no love between those two bu...

The end of 2016 because at that point the voters viewed between him and someone acceptable, it could be different. >> and so many serious lawyers don't want him to tweet right now. except with teleprompter scripted speeches, if you will. stand by. there is more news rear following. vice president pence praises a convicted and pardoned former sheriff as a champion of the rule of law, raising important questions about president trump's pardoning powers.