think you will see more of this in large part because jared kushner, i disagree with him on 99 things, but prisons are not one. jared kushner is proving to be an advocate inside that building and i think that's a positive thing. >> how do you decide then, if you don't go through a process? i guess that's part of the pardoning powers. >> i would recommend a process. don, listen, i've been doing this as you know 25 years. i think a process would serve the president belttter, serve t public better. thank you, appreciate it. van jones is going to sit down with the woman behind this pardon. it premieres right here on our show tomorrow night at 10:00 eastern. we're going to play a premier of it right here on this show so make sure you tune in tomorrow. when we come back stormy daniels filing a new lawsuit.