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volunteering information so we can understand what in the world happened down in that white house. >> so why do you think, nick, he's not? the idea he could have such access and give firsthand accounts of trump's efforts to seize the power of the doj as we heard from one hearing to corrupt it. the idea of the scheme to try to oust the acting attorney general but i suspect to the extent that cipollone is trying to carve out certain areas he doesn't have to talk about, i'm assuming privilege will be a part of this and obviously, he can bend the ear of the president. will that be enough...

Witnesses? >> i certainly do. i remember that letter of october 2019 that he issued in the defense of the president and belittling the impeachment process and falsely attacking a member of the house adam schiff, he showed himself to be a pure political animal in a tribunal in the supreme court itself with the chief justice presiding and he made this representations and disappointed a lot of colleagues to his legal skills and protecting the office of the president so i'm not sure which side pat is on other than being on pat eas's side in trump worl. it will be a very difficult and

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