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Times david savage and political reporter eugene scott. let s start with you on this, david. can that happen? do you believe that what was said so far senator patrick layhe saying he was not truthful in a washington post interview. is that enough for perjury? no, i don t think so. perjury is a pretty strong word. it is a good political charge to say he wasn t straightforward or honest. brett kavanaugh said he knew he got a lot of information that was sort of confidential. he said he didn t know it was stolen. leahy doesn t believe him but it is hard to make a perjury claim based on that disagreement. how far might they be able to take this? i think from the democrats point of view, not very far. it is a good talking point to say he wasn t straight with us on a whole series of issues. but as you as you noted in the opening, the republicans have the votes. they will put him out send him out of the committee on a ....
On that idea. we don t think snowden deserves amnesty. we believe he should come back and have his day in court. reporter: patrick layhe, democrat of vermont told nbc news this weekend, his panel will hold hearings on nsa reform early in the new year. thank you. susan rice was asked about the talking point she used after the deadly attack on the consulate and now the backlash it created. i don t have time to think about a false controversy. in the midst of the swirl of things like talking points, the administration has been working very, very hard across the globe to review our security of our embassies and our facilities. that is what we ought to be focused on. the united nations has approved a request for new diplomatic status for deafany cobra hanny who was arrested and ....
For government to argue that this program could continue given that a judge held it is illegal and violated the fourth amendment. patrick layhe who introduced the freedom act to end the bulk collection of phone records said americans deserve an open and transparent debate about the constitutionality, efficacy and the appropriateness of the government s dragnet collusion of phone records. and it was found unconstitutional. the decision is on hold pending an almost certain appeal by the justice department where they believe the phone records program is constitutional with judges on the national security courts sharing that opinion, bret. we ll follow it. catherine, thank you. division in the government over whether to offer amnesty to the former contractor who revealed harmless secrets about ....